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Sore on WTF leg
I’ve been around this forum for a while, but never on the tree frog forum. I’m hoping I can get some advice from you guys... I’m adopting four white’s tree frogs but I won’t have them in my care for about another week to a week and a half. I got an email from the woman that’s adopting them out to me about one possibly being bitten by a cricket. She says he’s eating and pooping fine, but he’s not acting as lively as he did before being bitten. She attached a pic for me and the best way I can describe it is an open sore the width of his leg. You can see his flesh (it’s reddish/pink, not white). From what I can see, it doesn’t seem to be a fungal infection... I was wondering if anyone had any tips on temporary treatment for this little guy until i can get him and take him to my vet? I would post the pic here, but sometimes I think I act too old for my age... I’m not sure how I would post a pic from an email. I called my vet to see what they would recommend given my circumstances. Of course, they want to see him. They mentioned using neosporin without pain relievers until I can get him in. As far as her husbandry, they all appear to be treated well. They all look very hydrated. Two have amazing color, the other two are a bit darker. He’s one of the bright green guys. Thanks in advance! Sorry for my long post! Just wanted to make sure I had any questions answered. |
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| 03/17/10 10:53am |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2133591 Sore on WTF leg
it could have happened from any number of things, the best bet is to set him up on his own with papertowels and get it healing as quickly as possible. I would avoid a vet visit because they will not be able to do much for you aside from tell you what I’ve told you. he he developes secondary symptoms like a bacterial infection you can treat him with baytril (1/3cc-1gal of water) and spray him down once a day for 10 days. use the neosporin though, you should notice improvment within a few days. if it gets worse or doesn’t heal then go to the vet. i would stop feeding him for now, or put the crickets in a glass bowl so they don’t have the opportunity of biting him. it’s good practice to always keep a piece of carrot or something in the tank if you just dump crickets in the tank so they have something besides the froggies to nibble on. |
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| 03/17/10 07:38pm |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2133711 Sore on WTF leg
Your advice is pretty much the conversation I had with her, but it’s nice to see an experienced keeper give his (or her) advice on this. I’ve been reading a lot in here over the last 6 months or so and you seem to really know your stuff! I’ll be meeting with her Friday afternoon to get the frogs. I can post pics then. I think he’ll be fine with a little TLC. I plan on keeping him seperate and on paper towels until he’s healed. Thanks again! |
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| 03/18/10 02:40am |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2133819 Sore on WTF leg
Some peace and quiet and neosporin should fix the problem. [his advice ;) ] |
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| 03/19/10 01:56am |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2134141 Sore on WTF leg
Just got another email from her.... apparently he now has two sores along with swelling on the under side of his thigh. Sores under his foot as well and can’t use his toes properly so I’m a worried frog ’Mom’. I’m going to get him this afternoon and see it in person and figure out what to do. She moved him to paper towels the day before yesterday... but I’m wondering if not being moved before then caused it to become infected. But, on the plus side, I hear the other three are doing great. |
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| 03/19/10 10:56am |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2134196 Sore on WTF leg
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| 03/22/10 02:41am |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2134944 Sore on WTF leg
I picked them up on Friday and his leg is nasty! I took him to the vet and they said it’s a bacterial infection. It’s bad... I feel so bad for the little guy. It’s been two a half days and there hasn’t been much improvement, I’m not sure he’s going to make it. I took a bunch of pics, I’ve never seen something so bad. Under his foot, you can see three of his tendons. That is the largest sore with the sore on his ’heel’ right behind that. He’s got two more on the upper area of his leg and you can see a dark spot on his thigh... under the skin. It appears to have ’eaten’ away three of his toes. He’s got minor spots on each one of his feet. As of yesterday, he hasn’t moved and he’s non responsive to anything. He just sits there. The smallest of the other three has a sore on his knee and I’m terrified that he’s going to have the same results as the sick one and may have already passed it on the the other two. I’ve been treating them both, but I honestly haven’t seen much improvement if any. I’ll upload some pics later today so you can actually SEE what I’ve been trying to describe. This is not how I had envisioned my first adoption... |
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| 03/22/10 12:35pm |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2135015 Sore on WTF leg
These were all taken right after I got him. I haven’t taken pics of him since then, but there’s no noticable improvement. The right leg was a piece of substrate. Everything is on his left leg.
A (kind of) side veiw of what’s going on:
Some of just his leg from above:
This is how he sits:
This is the under side of his foot. It makes me hurt just looking at it. There are two and a half toes in that mess.
The vet says I should be keeping him on dry paper towels and rely on ambient humidity until he’s healed, but it’s so bad that when he does finally move from the area, he sticks to the paper towel and re-opens the sores and causes to to bleed again. Most of his area is dry, but I’m also leaving a small portion a LITTLE moist in case he prefers to not tear it back open. I understand that keeping him on moist paper towels may cause the infection to spread faster, but I would imagine a little area is ok, right? |
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| 03/22/10 01:45pm |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2135036 Sore on WTF leg
I’ve not seen a case this serious in a while. What sort of medication are you using and how are you applying? I would deffinately medicate the other frogs for 7-10 days. You can go with newspaper substrate. Most packing stores will have it (without print of course). Paper towel is fine as well. Right now you need to get the infection under control. I would also suggest relative humidity and room temps. You can keep a corner moist, but it really doesn’t matter too much, no real benefit. Medicated baths or spray treatments would be my choice method of medication. If I was a vet I could do injections too, but I’m not. |
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| 03/22/10 11:21pm |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2135230 Sore on WTF leg
Chytrid Fungus << Take a look at this thread. Use the Lamasil treatment method for all your frogs and continue with the antibiotics. Best of luck, this is serious buisness you’ve got. Needless to say clean and sterelize your tank and tank furniture. Any frogs you already have you should keep an eye on as well. The fungus spreads through water I believe, but I’ve heard of keepers and breeders with massive out breaks and lots of losses. |
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| 03/22/10 11:32pm |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2135230 Sore on WTF leg
We went Friday and a topical method of treatment (cream/ointment and a soak) was recommended to try first. Our follow up wasn’t until this coming Friday and I was worried he wouldn’t make it that far through the week, so he went back in yesterday. They swabbed him the first time we went in and said it was a bacterial infection, but at the same time, I haven’t seen any noticable improvement. Yesterday they prescribed baytril so we’re trying that... hopefully we can get this under control. I did spend yesterday morning cleaning all the plants that the woman gave me with the frogs before I set them all up in the enclosure. I’m thinking I’m going to be throwing them all out though and just stick with the plants I have. I don’t want another guy to go through this. Everything else in the enclosure is brand new. I also sprayed each frog down in hopes of preventing any breakouts that may be coming. Two of them seem perfectly healthy! Hungry guys! The smallest, bright green one has a sore on his knee... *sigh* However, his is going away. Maybe because his is so small...? So, the two that are sick have been seperate from everyone else (and each other) since day one here. The part that I don’t understand is why it’s not appearing to get better. It’s not any worse, but it’s not looking better either. I couldn’t leave him there when she showed me his leg, but I’m beginning to add some irritation to my sadness for him. I just want him to get better. I guess this is what I get for having a bleeding heart. He has been a dark brown the last couple days and I went to check on him this morning and he’s the brightest green he could possibly be, climbing (or trying to) up the corner of his "tank". Maybe that’s a sign of good things to come. I really appreciate your feedback, by the way! |
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| 03/23/10 10:52am |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2135303 Sore on WTF leg
I guess I’ll focus on the rest and maintain an extremely clean environment as well as monitoring the others.... This sucks! |
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| 03/23/10 12:08pm |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2135336 Sore on WTF leg
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| 03/23/10 06:37pm |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2135492 Sore on WTF leg
I really hope this is not the case! I’ve been reading up on chytrid... I don’t want to deal with something this severe, but will do what I need to to give them a good life. I will begin the lamisil this evening for sure. I’ve never purchased this though, so what exactly am I looking for? I was thinking it is a cream but I read that I’m to dilute it in 200ml of water so is it a spray? Sorry for my ignorance, I obviously was not expecting this! Thanks for all your input! I never would’ve looked into it and could’ve lost 4 frogs instead of one. |
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| 03/23/10 07:14pm |
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Message To: Seahorse In reference to Message Id: 2135505 Sore on WTF leg
Quote: I’m by no means arguing with you I never thought you were, ;)
Yes, use the spray. I’m not 100% sure, unless you culture samples, that it is indeed chytrid. However, from what I know the Lamasil treatment is harmless to frogs not infected, but the chances your population is contaminated is high. I’m also just doing a visual diagnosis, looking at the skin and the way that the frog’s toes reacted. Pop on over to the forum I linked you to with the chytrid thread. I have been spared the nightmare of dealing with it, but there are some experienced people there and some of them were the ones who helped develop the chytrid treatment using Lamasil spray. It’s always good to get 2nd and 3rd opinions. For now you’re doing it all right, monitor the ones that look healthy and medicate them just to be safe. |
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| 03/23/10 07:25pm |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2135507 Sore on WTF leg
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| 03/23/10 07:28pm |
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Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2135507 Sore on WTF leg
I’m going to head to the store.... crossing my fingers that was the worst of it. I’ll sign up and start a thread there as well. |
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| 03/23/10 07:30pm |
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