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 #806159


Greentreefroglover
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 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Sometimes, when people set up a terrarium they wish to create a "mini ecosystem" and add a mix of species that will cohabitate in the terrarium. While in theory this sounds like a good idea, it is a situation fraught with difficulties and can only be achieved with a great deal of research and work. For the average keeper of reptiles and amphibians, it is not something I would recommend. Here is why:
Different species have different requirements, even if the differences seem quite minor especially for species from similar climates. However, in the wild each species occupies a unique niche even within the same general climate, where temperature, light, humidity vary depending on the specific habitat of each species (e.g. tree vs ground dwelling, terrestrial vs. aquatic). In an unnatural situation (the terrarium), it is hard to provide an environment that closely duplicates the natural environment needed to keep single species healthy and stress-free. Providing natural conditions for multiple species is extrememly complicated.
Terrariums for mixed species generally need to be much larger than those for a single species, and are more difficult to maintain. Extra room is needed to provide the proper environmental conditions and furnishings for each species, as well as allowing each species their own space to hunt and interact somewhat naturally. Crowding different species together in a small tank can be a recipe for disaster.
Carnivorous critters are usually not picky eaters, and will try to eat smaller cagemates of any species. This applies to animals (lizards, frogs, salamanders) that are largely insectivorous; most of these will not hesitate to hunt other small critters given the opportunity especially if confined in a tank with them. Also consider the stress you place on an animal, confining it in close quarters with a potential predator.
Toxicity may be an issue with some frogs, salamanders, and newts. Many secrete mild skin toxins. These toxins may not be dangerous to humans, but they can accumulate in a tank and cause problems if absorbed through the skin of other tank inhabitants or if a cagemate tries to eat a toxic amphibian.
Animals may become stressed by behaviors and displays that are unexpected and that they do no know how to intrpret. Between species that do not normally coexist, normal behaviors and benign displays may be misinterpreted, and this may lead to fighting or stress.
Animals from different areas or habitats have differing immunities to parasites and infectious diseases. Therefore, one species may harbour a bug that it can carry with no ill-effects. However, if that bug (be it a parasite, virus or bacteria) is introduced to a species with no natural immunity, the result can be devastating.
I know there are people out there that have mixed tanks that seem to do just fine, but my recommendation is to stick to one species per tank. The results of mixing species of reptile and amphibian in a terrarium are unpredictable, especially for less experienced keepers. Providing the proper environment and alleviating stress are too important to the health and well-being of reptiles and amphibians to take chances with mixing species.

If i have missed anything please add to it.
i HOPE this answers everyones questions about mixing of species!!!!!

Natasha



05/27/06  11:00am

 #806245


ILoveGreen
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 806159


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Great Job Natasha! Now maybe we won’t have to write to each person wanting to mix in a tank!!! YAY!

I’ll just add that 10 gallon tanks are about $11 dollars at Walmart or Petco!!!!!! Just in case someone needs to seperate their different species! And Don’t listen to PetStores! Do your research b4 you go to the petstore...that way you won’t be treicked into buying to different species and putting them together! MOST Petstore are just out to make $!!!



05/27/06  12:19pm

 #806381


Art_Gecko
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  Message To: ILoveGreen   In reference to Message Id: 806245


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Yea i think you’ve petty much covered it!!

Ill just add that those displays you see in zoos where they display multiple species take hours and hours of work each day, sophisticaed technology to keep working and clean and are often over 100gallons each. It takes an extreme amount of time, knowledge, money and expertise in order to keep even 2 similar species in the same enclosure. As was said above, even if 2 species live in the same forest, when confined to a comparitivly tiny tank, the problems just keep coming.

Also, i do marine biology at university, and those ’bugs’ Greentreefroglover said are harmless to some animals but deadly to others, they are NOT to be messed with!! It is a process called symbiosis, and the 2 or more organisms (eg.your frog and an insect that lives inside it) help each other and are naturally found together. They have many uses in the natural world, but will reap havok when species are forced together in a vivarium.

Please heed this warning.



05/27/06  02:09pm

 #806529


Treefrog
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  Message To: Art_Gecko   In reference to Message Id: 806381


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

yeah well said, i agree with what people have told me on this web site.



05/27/06  04:33pm

 #807030


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Treefrog   In reference to Message Id: 806529


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Thanx guys i thought i would post it as theres been alot of questions about mixing species lately so hopefully we wont have to answer another one for awhile now.



05/27/06  10:18pm

 #808521


Hoppy
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 807030


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Good write up.

Now anytime someone asks we can send them here....lol of course we could tell them to pm you...lol you don’t mind re-typing all this do you..lol.

HOPPY



05/28/06  11:19pm

 #808530


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 808521


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

oh not at all ill retype it all again ill just come back to this thread and copy it lol the cheating way haha



05/28/06  11:24pm

 #814850


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 808530


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bump just bumping it up again.



06/01/06  10:58pm

 #816465


Removed By System
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 814850


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06/02/06  11:53pm

 #816530


Hoppy
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  Message To: Pythonfreek   In reference to Message Id: 816465


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Well Dale,

I’m glad to see you have a PH.D.

I guess myself and the other zoologists and herpetologists are all wrong.

Your right you might want to start listening to Petco. I’m sure Petco would love to know how their animals are being treated . Try asking them if all those can go together...good luck on that one.

full of crap and proud of it!
HOPPY



06/03/06  12:37am

 #816556


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 816530


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Nicely said hoppy couldnt say it better myself its people like you that cause problems on these forums and ruin it for the rest of us if you dont agree to it dont post on it, maybe you should work for petco since you treat your animals like crap as well, well coming to think of it i think petco would treat there animals better then that maybe work for walmart.

Full of crap and proud of it and im sure heaps of people will back this to cause they wont be happy



06/03/06  12:52am

 #817102


Pythonfreek
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 816556


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Guys, am totally against housing animals together, and I was only kidding, because Pet-co is the last place to get good animal info. I figured you guys would understand it was a joke, but i guess not, sry if I offended anyone, but I was only kidding.
-Dale



06/03/06  12:50pm

 #817172


Hoppy
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  Message To: Pythonfreek   In reference to Message Id: 817102


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

hehehehe....Greentreefroglover and myself thought it was a joke...

The cobras got me.......but we weren’t sure...until after we saw some more of your humour....You’d be amazed with what you hear Dale...I see a little too much of things being mixed legally and illegally.

Your forgiven...lol...But at least newbies will know too now....

I’m sorry too....didn’t mean to hurt your feelings either...Forgive us too?
HOPPY



06/03/06  01:29pm

 #818095


Pythonfreek
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 817172


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Oh ya, I wasn’t mad, I just figured that you guys would know it was a joke, but I guess you dont know I’m experienced, so I very well may have been serious, ur forgiven lol.
-Dale



06/03/06  11:23pm

 #818150


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Pythonfreek   In reference to Message Id: 817102


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

hahahahahahahahahahahalololololololo ROFL
Hi Dale and we were joking hahahahahahahahaha GOTCHA
hang on got to go to toilet now lol



06/04/06  12:23am

 #818196


Pythonfreek
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 818150


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

I GOT BAMBOOZLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol
-Dale



06/04/06  01:04am

 #823340


Hoppy
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  Message To: Pythonfreek   In reference to Message Id: 818196


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Bumping this up for some new questions of mixing....

HOPPY



06/07/06  02:04pm

 #826133


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 806159


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bump for the newies



06/09/06  08:33am

 #830840


Hoppy
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 826133


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bumping this up again....lol



06/12/06  10:31pm

 #846857


Hoppy
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 830840


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bump...

alot of mixing questions can be answered here...

Thanks again Greentreefroglover..
HOPPY



06/23/06  07:45am

 #882709


Froggy&Gribbit
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  Message To: Hoppy   In reference to Message Id: 846857


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bump



07/13/06  07:59pm

 #903434


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 882709


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bump



07/24/06  09:29pm

 #904250


Mr_venomv
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 903434


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bump



07/25/06  10:21am

 #905306


Fuppy
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  Message To: Mr_venomv   In reference to Message Id: 904250


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Im gonna mix american toads with grey tree frogs. That will be saaaweeeeeet!



07/25/06  08:25pm

 #905357


Greentreefroglover
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  Message To: Fuppy   In reference to Message Id: 905306


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Fuppy,

Why do you cause trouble for yourself, there will be one day your going to need help and no one is going to help you at all cause they will thing your joking or being smart. So please think before posting a smart reply.

Natasha



07/25/06  08:51pm

 #905613


ILoveGreen
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  Message To: Fuppy   In reference to Message Id: 905306


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

Toads have glands that release toxians.....so your gray tree frogs will get sick or die. :(



07/25/06  10:49pm

 #906819


ILoveGreen
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  Message To: ILoveGreen   In reference to Message Id: 905613


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

BUMPPPPP!



07/26/06  03:42pm

 #924356


Froggy&Gribbit
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  Message To: Greentreefroglover   In reference to Message Id: 806159


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

bump



08/05/06  12:04pm

 #924359


Little black frog
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  Message To: Froggy&Gribbit   In reference to Message Id: 924356


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

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08/05/06  12:09pm

 #927010


Froggy&Gribbit
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  Message To: Little black frog   In reference to Message Id: 924359


 PEOPLE THAT ARE THINKING OF MIXING SPECIES OF FROGS READ THIS!!!

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08/07/06  12:50am
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