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Tiggs View Profile |
Mali Needs New Home
I have a Mali Uromastyx that is in need of a new home with somebody who can appreciate him. He is far too timid for me and I don’t have the time or the patience to deal with him. I bought him a little over 3 months ago. He appears healthy. He eats and poops every day. I don’t think he is growing at the rate he is supposed to though, he is only about 6” and I believe he is at least 6 months old, if not older. I am not confident in my abilities to care for him properly and I worry about him all of the time. I want him to go to a knowledgeable home that follows the basic rules of husbandry and that will love him and do right by him. I think he would come around great with being timid if he had somebody who wanted to put the time into him. I really prefer not to ship him, so right now I am looking for somebody in the Michigan/Ohio area who may be interested. I would be willing to deliver or at least do half of the travel to get him to a good home. If anybody is interested, please message me and we can discuss it. Thanks! |
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| 04/08/08 11:04am |
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Tut Tut View Profile |
Message To: Tiggs In reference to Message Id: 1694433 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/08/08 11:38am |
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Tiggs View Profile |
Message To: Tut Tut In reference to Message Id: 1694449 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/08/08 11:48am |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: Tiggs In reference to Message Id: 1694454 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/08/08 04:16pm |
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Tut Tut View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1694795 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/08/08 04:52pm |
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Wrinks View Profile |
Message To: Tut Tut In reference to Message Id: 1694864 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/08/08 08:36pm |
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Tiggs View Profile |
Message To: Wrinks In reference to Message Id: 1695178 Mali Needs New Home
Just to give an idea of what I have in mind for him: I will not let him go to a home that will house him in anything less than 38x18x18, I would prefer him to go to a home that will house him in 48x24x24, which is better than what I currently have him in. My only other restriction is that he is NOT to be housed with another uro. Just like BD’s, I have found out uro’s are solitary so they really don’t need "buddies". If they don’t live that way in the wild, I don’t think that they should be subjected to sharing their space in captivity. My main goal is to re-home him somewhere where he will receive the same standard of care or better than what I can provide him with. I would like to see him with somebody who will enjoy him. |
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| 04/09/08 03:06pm |
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Kimbowee View Profile |
Message To: Tiggs In reference to Message Id: 1696175 Mali Needs New Home
Have you tried googling reptile rescue? Not sure where you are at. Also maybe your local Herp Society knows someone with experience & is ready for a new Uro. |
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| 04/09/08 06:54pm |
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Wrinks View Profile |
Message To: Kimbowee In reference to Message Id: 1696518 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/09/08 08:55pm |
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Sahells Mom View Profile |
Message To: Wrinks In reference to Message Id: 1696752 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/09/08 10:15pm |
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Maliuromastyx View Profile |
Message To: Tiggs In reference to Message Id: 1694433 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/16/08 07:20pm |
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Death_metal View Profile |
Message To: Maliuromastyx In reference to Message Id: 1705919 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/16/08 11:26pm |
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Uro_fan View Profile |
Message To: Tiggs In reference to Message Id: 1694454 Mali Needs New Home
I think DMs suggestion to read past posts is a good one. Now that you listed requirements, I am sure that everyone will have those exact requirements. 
I think it is a wise idea to deal locally. Place a price tag that is high enough to weed out those that just want a good deal. Contact a local herp society, they might have some references for you. |
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| 04/17/08 05:57am |
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Death_metal View Profile |
Message To: Uro_fan In reference to Message Id: 1706308 Mali Needs New Home
i would be happy to take your mali but i live in canada, best of luck finding a good responsible owner |
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| 04/17/08 12:53pm |
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Twentytwo View Profile |
Message To: Death_metal In reference to Message Id: 1706630 Mali Needs New Home
 or contact this person who may work out a trade or be nice and give it to her...I will send you a message...I don’t know her but she is a wildlife rehabilitator.  |
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| 04/17/08 09:32pm |
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Twentytwo View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707284 Mali Needs New Home
and I have seen her on forums and such. or find someone like that (but not a self proclaimed rescue that is really a pathethic sham to make the idiots who run it feel good like they are so nice to rescue an animal they can’t even care for)because it’s going to be tough, I personally love mali’s but they are , unfortunately, too common and "cheap". Noone with experience is really going to want it for fear of the potential difficulties of dealing with "second hand goods" so to speak,when they can get like 6 for 100bucks- the poor thing is probably wc, that is so much stress in itself. Now it is being shifted around, it is terrible. Someday maybe they will stop the wild collection and importation of this species and the entire genus, then maybe they will get the respect they deserve. Since when I said maybe I would take it, my situation has changed.I do not have room or supplies for another.  Spent a lot of money, been to the vet a few times, upgraded cages, bought new bulbs,followup fecals, working on setting things up-no-one does this stuff besides the few of us here. Nobody cares. You have a conscience. You will not find it a good home in the classifieds ,it is not going to happen. You are going to feel bad or you are trying to play us with this find a good home stuff. It is either going to a newbie or getting resold and you aren’t getting your money back in full anyway. Contact that person and work something out or get a referral. You have a wild animal in your hands that wasn’t meant to be a pet and now you are pissed it isn’t feigning attention for tuna. Do the right thing. Sorry but I thought about it and what’s right is right. Take your sob story off this forum where people actually care about these animals. It is not a shirt that is the wrong size. If I get kicked off I get kicked off. |
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| 04/17/08 10:23pm |
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Uro_fan View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707337 Mali Needs New Home
I had to read your rant twice before I caught on to the fact that you previously offered to take this uromastyx (twice in one post) and now Tiggs is stating that he/she is looking to place the animal locally. Your hot to cold attitude and bizarre out of place rant (compared to your post where you were sticky sweet and offered to take the animal twice) makes you look like a five year old that didn’t get the lollipop he/she wanted at the grocery store checkout. Tiggs, I would caution you against listening to advice from 22 and/or references for a home for your uromastyx. 22 has proven unreliable with statements on this forum. While it would be nice to live in a world where every person that purchases a uromastyx has done a ton of research and has an 8’ enclosure and knew what they were getting into, this will never be the case. I think you are doing the right thing Tiggs by admitting that you made a mistake and are taking the time and energy to find a suitable home. I would not suggest placing this animal into rescue; I would continue to look for a home locally. As long as you continue to properly care for the uromastyx while continuing to look for a good home (without lowering your standards), I think you are on the right track. |
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| 04/17/08 10:55pm |
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Skullkeeper View Profile |
Message To: Tiggs In reference to Message Id: 1694433 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/18/08 06:16am |
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Rtl402 View Profile |
Message To: Skullkeeper In reference to Message Id: 1707617 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/18/08 09:25am |
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Twentytwo View Profile |
Message To: Rtl402 In reference to Message Id: 1707714 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/18/08 09:58am |
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Wrinks View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707736 Mali Needs New Home
I am a reserved person and don’t say much here on the forum but , its really frustrates me when people come into the forum and take over a postand the main topic is lost…. I have to start back at the top to remember. I regret even saying I would take the Uro. I was only thinking I could help. I also was honest about what my cage size was. Maybe most people are not honest but, I am. I know I don’t know as much as most but that does not mean the uro would be in bad hands if the uro came to me. I have kept mine safe warm and fed and loved him. He is part of my family. Tiggs I hope a good home is found and 22 you did do a 180 maybe you felt attacked and that upset you. I know I felt a bit set back but what they are saying is true, The post was for a good home and the folks are just giving advice and that is the reason we all come here every day is to get advice and learn we need to just take a step back rather than get on the defence. |
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| 04/18/08 10:44am |
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Uro_fan View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707736 Mali Needs New Home
Quote: lollypop? please...for the amount it would cost for a private person to ship it correctly... a few more bucks I can get a group
What is your point here- that you are cheap and prefer to buy cheap lizards? That you were expecting a free lizard and someone to bow before you when you offered to take it? 
Quote: but let’s be realistic. and she is trying to SELL it under the guise of finding it a home.
Tiggs did not put a price tag on the animal, I suggested one to weed out people like you that want a cheap reptile and probably look at husbandry the same way. Quote: IT IS A JUVENILE MALI!!!!unfortunately, hate to say it,but in terms of selling them:dime a dozen.SAD but true, and you know it.
It almost sounds as if you were intent on selling the uromastyx if Tiggs handed it over to you. Or perhaps uromastyx only have a value to you if they have a certain price tag? You have alluded to cheap maliensis throughout this thread. From this I can only fathom that you must be used to buying cheap wild caught imports as true captive bred maliensis from reliable breeders are not sold 6 - $100. Given the size of this animal, you have no clue whether it is captive bred. Even if it is a wc uromastyx, an animal that is eating well 3-4 months into captivity is worth more than a fresh wc import, and YOU should know this. For those considering purchasing a maliensis, this animal which has been eating well in captivity for over three months is likely to be a MUCH better purchase than the cheap, often unhealthy, recent wc imports that 22 is suggesting. Quote: its really frustrates me when people come into the forum and take over a postand the main topic is lost
The main topic has not been lost- the re-homing of this animal and how to go about this is being discussed. Hopefully Tiggs will glean some information from the posts in this thread. Quote: I regret even saying I would take the Uro. I was only thinking I could help.
Are you thinking that someone is singling you out as unfit? If so, I did not see anything suggesting this considering you may be local. Quote: I also was honest about what my cage size was. Maybe most people are not honest but, I am.
The reference towards everyone having the requirements listed was not directed specifically towards you. It was mentioned so that Tiggs would place some weight against what she reads in posts and emails. If Tiggs deals locally, she could verify enclosure size if she had a desire to. |
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| 04/18/08 11:39am |
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Twentytwo View Profile |
Message To: Wrinks In reference to Message Id: 1707769 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/18/08 11:41am |
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Twentytwo View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707809 Mali Needs New Home
Quote: them there’s fightin’ words ...get a grip crab. |
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| 04/18/08 12:08pm |
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Wrinks View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707827 Mali Needs New Home
Your right about one part of this I did want to place it in a home MY HOME, Why would i want to buy it from someone and than sell it. I didn’t know if the uro was for sale or free that was not the point. It was a good home i was offering. How can you even say that to me you don’t know who I am. I have one uro and enjoy him and I could afford to take care of another one thats all i was saying. Uro_fan I respect you. I have read tons of your posts and you know your stuff and give good advice. I should have never even offered... |
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| 04/18/08 01:12pm |
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Uro_fan View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707827 Mali Needs New Home
Quote: I have 3 mali’s 2 egyptians, not concerned with price tags:those are the species I like and paid pretty high price for them
Quote: Rescued 2 of the mali’s
Quote: Only despicable types look for "deals" in rescues.
I am guessing that you probably got the rescues for little or nothing (good ‘deal’) so I hardly would call that a pretty high price. With all of the inconsistencies with your statements, I have doubt on most everything you write including your experience with uromastyx and your enclosures. My guess is that you have the five animals packed into the two enclosures you mentioned or have additional enclosures smaller than a 4x2. However, this is just a guess based on some of your other ‘factual’ statements on this forum so maybe I have a biased opinion.
You lost me on the ‘fightin words’ quote. I am assuming you are quoting yourself and then replying to the quote suggesting that you want to fight like a crab? Seriously 22, save your time here. Quote: A responsible owner is not shopping around for unwanted pets,if responsible you buy from a reputable place or adopt.
I had to laugh out loud with this one. Are you suggesting responsible ownership has something to do with the cost of a uromastyx? In other words, YOU ‘rescue or adopt’ (aka cheap deal) two uromastyx and it makes you a responsible owner but someone looking for a maliensis sees this thread and decides to pay a cb price for a well acclimated (possibly cb) uromastyx and it makes them an irresponsible owner? Yikes, your misconstrued concepts are a little scary 22. I have been around for a while and would be willing to place a sizable bet that a typical ‘rescue’ is in far worse shape than the fat little uromastyx on this forum that eats like a pig and has had proper care. Paying a higher price for an animal in no way suggests a person is irresponsible. In fact, I think it could show the exact opposite. Quote: urofan, give it a rest...YOU sell uros
Actually, I ‘place’ my uromastyx as by the time I weed out people like you; I have more time and expense in the animal than what I actually sell it for. Ask anyone that has purchased an animal from me how I ‘sell’ uromastyx. Winks, There was no problem with your offer and this is entirely up to you and Tiggs to work out. |
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| 04/18/08 01:19pm |
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Twentytwo View Profile |
Message To: Uro_fan In reference to Message Id: 1707898 Mali Needs New Home
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| 04/18/08 01:46pm |
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Tiggs View Profile |
Message To: Twentytwo In reference to Message Id: 1707929 Mali Needs New Home
For crying out loud! I have not logged in on here in quite some time and now I have plenty of reason to NEVER do it again. Thank you Uro Fan and Skullkeeper and the others that have defended my integrity and position with this uro. 22, you can piss right off. Did you miss the part on the forum rules about being rude, or do you just lack the intelligence required to READ and comply with said rules? Since you ignored the site policy in regards to MY THREAD, I see no reason that I need to extend any form of considerations to you. I am only going to address a few of the things you have said because I want to, NOT because I feel I need to defend myself to the likes of you. I highly resent your statements and attitude towards me, you are an ignorant, worthless TURD. I NEVER put a price on this uro and would have GLADLY given it free, with its hides, dishes and accessories to a suitable forever home. This IS NOT ABOUT MONEY or profit on my part. However, I am NOT stupid enough to advertize him here or anywhere else for “free”, that is like asking every Tom, and Harry who know nothing about proper care to come out of the woodwork saying “Ooh, Ooh, me! me!” DUH. We all make mistakes, however, I am doing my best to correct my mistakes in a way that will entirely benefit this animal. Would you rather have me keep an animal that is not suited to me and that I have no interest in? No, I think for the welfare of the animal that it should go to somebody who can appreciate it fully. It is never my intent to acquire an animal and then re-home it. I believe in providing a forever home for every animal I take into my care and this decision has been very hard on me. Your lack of compassion really shows your true colors as a human being and I really am sorry for you. As far as moving him again and causing stress, actually, he is doing quite well in my bedroom and I see him far more now than ever before. Yep, that’s right, HE IS STILL WITH ME. You know why? Because I care and it is not about money or pawning off a sick animal, that is why. He is not sick, by the way. Other than the fact that he is growing very slowly, he has everything that he requires and is eating, pooping, basking and doing all of the things that a healthy uro should do. This is not a sob story, I will gladly keep him happy and healthy until I place him. Just to refute the claims that he is probably neglected or sickly in my care, here are 2 recent photos that will show you that he is far from sickly:
You know 22, the only thing you did get right is the rescue that you suggested (I did receive your pm). I do not plan on sending him to Texas, but I know the person who runs that rescue personally and speak with her often. She is truly a delightful and wonderful person, unlike yourself and I would never hesitate to place any animal of mine in her care. However, I believe that a rescue should be reserved for the rescue animals that NEED to be rescued and my uro is NOT a rescue case. I would not feel right about burdening a rescue with an animal just because I was too lazy to clean up my own mess and place him myself. I will gladly continue to provide an excellent level of care for as long as he is with me. The only other thing that I really want to address here is Wrinks. Wrinks, I am so sorry to have left you hanging and feeling inadequate, that was not my intent. Right around the time that you offered I had another person who was intending on taking him. This was somebody that I have talked to quite a bit on another forum and I had full confidence in. Unfortunately things ended up falling through and that is why I still have him. I am holding on to him for a little longer to see if his intended home works out the issues that prevented them from being able to take him. If he does not go to them, I will contact you and see if you are interested. If you are not, I would understand completely, but I want you to know that I think you could offer him a very good home. I have no issues with the tank size/husbandry you can offer and the uro that you currently have looks like he is happy and doing wonderful. You say you should not have offered, but it appears you love uros and you can provide a nice home, so why not. Again Wrinks, I am sorry for neglecting this thread and for not contacting you privately, it had nothing to do with your qualifications and I may contact you in the near future if you would still be interested. Thanks for those who have tried to help me out with this. You can believe me when I say, that I always have this animals best interests at heart and he WILL either continue to have a good home with me or elsewhere. |
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Khoffman1980 View Profile |
Message To: Tiggs In reference to Message Id: 1694433 Mali Needs New Home
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| 05/07/08 04:32pm |
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Tiggs View Profile |
Message To: Khoffman1980 In reference to Message Id: 1728298 Mali Needs New Home
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