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 Is it a Uromastyx?

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 Is it a Uromastyx?

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 Is it a Uromastyx?

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 Is it a Uromastyx?

 #1720208

 Is it a Uromastyx?

 #1720928

 Is it a Uromastyx?

Patterns can vary so much within the same species, heck, so much within the same clutch that it is often impossible to accurately identify some species from one photo of a juvenile. Granted, some species are fairly pattern and characteristic specific and identification can be rather simple but when you get into trying to determine subspecies within the dispar group at a young age, it is not that simple.

As the pattern is consistent in this photo with any of the subspecies of dispar, a good ‘guess ‘would be maliensis due to the size, CITES history, and availability. However, if this animal were over in Oxford England, well the guess might not have the same odds.

There would be no good guess on gender with this animal at this age with this photo.

Here is an example of the differing pattern on some younger maliensis that Lindsay Pike posted on another forum. Notice the banding on at least one of the animals? This does not mean that it is a flavifasciata nor does it mean that the animal on the far right with the speckled pattern is a U a nigriventris or U a acanthinura.

FYI:

The properties of this photo show that it came from the ’all expert’ site which I find to be somewhat of a joke. While there might be a few qualified people on this site, the site is made up of self-proclaimed ’experts’ most of which have no idea what they are doing -some have never even owned the animal they are giving advice on. To make matters worse, the self-proclaimed experts are being rated on their ’expertise’ by the clueless people asking the questions.

If you do a search on that site, you may find your answer to the species if you can locate the photo. However, I would caution against using this site for reliable uromastyx care/advice as I could fill out an app with this site tomorrow stating that I am an aeronautic engineer that has written two training manuals and probably be posting within a few days with all my ’expertise’. Of course I am not an aeronautic engineer but I bet $10 I would have stellar ratings and could fool most of those that are not aeronautic engineers.

Did you just see a photo and are curious to the species or are you looking for a more solid answer because you are interested in purchasing the animal? I ask because asking for guesses like this are fine if you are simply curious but if you are looking for accuracy, it is impossible to say with certainty what species/subspecies this is at this age from this photo so I would not place a lot of faith in any guesses you get here.

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 Is it a Uromastyx?

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 If I had to guess ...

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 If I had to guess ...

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I think the lizard pictured looks most like the flavifasciata or the offspring of the "blacks". (Did we ever figure out the taxonomy of those?)

Nope, nothing was concretely determined on the blacks. I was going to have some DNA work done but like so many other things- never got around to it. Surprised?
I am still calling the blacks melanistic flavifasciata. To satisfy my curiosity, I really need to pull dna and compare it to the work done by Wilms and Amer.

The photo looks more to me like maliensis than my black clutches. I am not saying the photo doesn’t resemble flavifasciata but as my post suggests, with one photo of a very young animal of a species that is difficult to ID at this size you are sort of throwing the useful identification tools (taxonomy key) that you and I would typically use out the window and guessing. So….assuming this is a recent photo and taking into consideration size (older hatchling/young juvenile), CITES history (not aware of any recent shipments of blacks or flavifasciata this size ), and availability (not aware of people hatching out young blacks and/or flavifasciata or recent imports), I will stick with my guess of maliensis. Unless of course this photo was posted by someone in Oxford and we are looking at one of Terry’s offspring which we know are out there. Then all bets are off as my ‘odds’ slip a bit.

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Hey - if your not a full-fledged aero engineering expert, I guess your merely a space cadet. ( just funnin’ folks)

Is this another Jimmy Buffett verse?