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| 11/02/09 12:06am |
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Patches107 View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090876 Question
The facts are: A. people don’t like being told what they don’t want to hear. (ex. "Your Uro is going to die slowly if you don’t upgrade to at least 4x2x2", and "No, it’s NEVER okay to feed your Uro insects.") B. Most questions asked usually have an answer in another thread, all that is needed is a quick look around. It’s unfortunate, but many members feel like the only way to get the point across and to hopefully convince is to attack the weak points. Many people come here for help with Uro’s in sickly conditions and won’t take anyone’s advice that they need to stop giving their Uro’s baths and putting them in 10 gallon tanks. They then get mad, continue to refuse the advice, and leave soon after without warning, or at least from what I’ve read. It looks like it gets old very, very fast, so I can see why many get tired of repeating the situation over and over. |
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| 11/02/09 01:47am |
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Mbwrink View Profile |
Message To: Patches107 In reference to Message Id: 2090895 Question
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| 11/02/09 02:55am |
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Mr. Mali View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090876 Question
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| 11/02/09 06:32am |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090876 Question
Do you go to your fathers job and tell him how to do his job ? How he can do it better ? What he’s doing wrong ? No ? Then why do it on a forum that you have not been a part of ? Go check out some of the other forums (trust me I have) there full of wrong information bad advice, but they will tell you how nice the uro look even if it’s on deaths door and help you to name it. But there oh so friendly ! So, if you want a nice friendly buttercup kind of forum that will tell you what you want to hear instead of what you need to do to make changes to help your uro live then by all means go to those other nicer friendlier forums. But, if you want a forum that will actually HELP you with saving your uro from deaths door but may not always do it with the nicest tone then come here. But DON’T come on to this forum, any other forum, or your fathers workplace and try to tell them how they should be doing it to make yourself a happier person. When you start a forum and moderate it then feel free to kick off all the people that you deem rude. You will quickly end up with a forum like most of the ones out there. |
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| 11/02/09 10:37am |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Mbwrink In reference to Message Id: 2090905 Question
Quote: For instance a gentleman has, because he is unemployed lost one Uromastyx that he was sharing heat bulbs between two cages. The people on that forum chided him only for being embarrassed to ask for help and sent him a couple of spairs. I’m sure he would have gotten no end of grief on this forum and no help with the heating.
That’s a pretty poor example don’t you think ? I and most others on this forum are here to help uro’s not hurt them. I would gladly send a spare bulb to someone to help them out as I believe most of the serious members would. I would not however want to help out someone that swears you can get proper temps in a 20 gallon ,soaking is fine because the petstore told them so, and they just LOVE crickets !! But we dont know what we’re doing because we’re just rude people. |
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| 11/02/09 10:47am |
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Lizard_junkie View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090876 Question
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| 11/02/09 10:57am |
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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: Mbwrink In reference to Message Id: 2090905 Question
Quote: the science of effective communication is not something taught in school any more. Its quite likely they don’t know how to communicate any better than this and can’t help coming across as anything but rude since the degree of literacy has dropped
Jbred when was the last time you were in grade school lol..... |
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| 11/02/09 10:59am |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090988 Question
Quote: Jbred when was the last time you were in grade school lol.....
Farther back them most of the members on this forum have been alive lol !! Lizard junkie, take the time to read through a few posts . Hopefully you will understand that NOBODY gets slammed,talked down to, or treated badly,at first. everyone gets treated with respect . I and others on here get no pay for what we do, only the satisfaction that we’re helping people out with their pets. If you actually read through the posts you will start to see that it’s only when someone starts to defend their poor actions and argue back and forth against good solid advice given by numerous long term members do things go down hill. Never is someone attacked right out of the gate . Show me a post that defies that. Your fathers job was a metaphor. You should pay better attention in school. |
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| 11/02/09 11:11am |
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UROKEEPER View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090988 Question
Quote: I would like to ask a question and just get a simple answer
Uromastyx are not "simple" animals. Therfore you will not just get a "yes or no" simple answer. A uro could have all sorts of issues going on usually from bad husbandry which we like to address. Take it as you like. Listen,ask,act and everything will go smoothly. Argue,name call etc.... well you get the picture |
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| 11/02/09 11:14am |
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Lizard_junkie View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2090994 Question
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| 11/02/09 11:22am |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: UROKEEPER In reference to Message Id: 2090996 Question
Quote: Listen,ask,act and everything will go smoothly. Argue,name call etc.... well you get the picture
Excellent advice urokeeper but I think the obvious is often overlooked. |
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| 11/02/09 11:23am |
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Foghukaup View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091000 Question
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| 11/02/09 12:54pm |
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Lizard_junkie View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091000 Question
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| 11/02/09 01:02pm |
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Sugar Snap Pea View Profile |
Message To: Mbwrink In reference to Message Id: 2090905 Question
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| 11/02/09 02:40pm |
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Sugar Snap Pea View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090876 Question
This being a forum, there are rules. Anytime someone breaks a rule, go ahead and report them. Even if they don’t get banned, they’ll be known as a troublemaker. The rules are there for old and new members too. Just because someone has more experience than you, has spent more time in this forum than you, doesn’t make what they do is right, all the time. One can make a point without being rude. One could learn to wield rhetoric better too. One could learn to persuade without being a bully. |
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| 11/02/09 02:55pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2091033 Question
Everyone always thinks they know how (we) should act,answer,react,etc... Where are they when the answers are needed ? Where are they with their (nice) way ? Where are they on a daily basis ? Most of the people who complain are here and gone in less then a month. Armchair quarterback at it’s best. I URGE people to step up !! Answer the questions and post’s with your better way of doing things . Please ! Dont just sit back and complain, do something about it ! I look forward to seeing a newer better nicer forum with lots of people answering. |
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| 11/02/09 03:45pm |
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Lizard_junkie View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091124 Question
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| 11/02/09 03:57pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2091132 Question
I think your VERY wrong , theres only a handfull of serious members on here that help. Probably less then 10 that actually post answers to questions. Some of the good ones have already been run off. Dont complain if your not going to help. |
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| 11/02/09 04:07pm |
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Lizard_junkie View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091138 Question
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| 11/02/09 04:14pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2091144 Question
Quote: And when I see a person in a situation like this I will be sure to give them the right information without putting them down so they wont just focus on defending themselves.
You go for it !! |
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| 11/02/09 04:18pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2090999 Question
Quote: Well, it was a stupid metaphor because it really didn’t apply to the situation.
Quote: metaphor [Gr.,=transfer], in rhetoric, a figure of speech in which one class of things is referred to as if it belonged to another class. Sorry you didn’t quite get it.
Quote: I’m not saying not to give people the right information, I’m just saying you can give them the facts without talking down to them.
And I’m just saying start helping out ! Everyone wants to complain about how it’s done but nobody wants to do anything about it. Talk is cheap , lots of people come on here and talk, then there gone in a flash. Stop complaining and start helping . |
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| 11/02/09 06:15pm |
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Vanglow View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091197 Question
I’m a paid message board (community) administrator on about 40 different sites, it’s what I do for a living, so I see this at least 20 times a day...it’s nothing new. Old time members each have their own personalities and often times come across as rude or not helpful to some newbies...this again is normal and is the sign of a working community...think of it as a big family, there will always be some cousins that you just don’t "get"...same thing here but bieng that sarcasm is harder to judge in print this tends to escalate the situation. On one of my forums we have over 15,000 active members and close to 20 pages a day of threads..we actually have a rule in place that newbies must be registered for two weeks and view a certain amount of topics before posting, just to cut back on this sort of thing. |
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| 11/02/09 06:40pm |
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Obi Carl Kenobi View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091197 Question
To the person who started the post... If you discovered this forum and introduced yourself like a "nice" person would have maybe you wouldnt be in an argument now. You may have found out how helpful many of us are and how friendly we can be, You say people on this forum are rude but isnt joining a forum and starting a thread like this being rude? |
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| 11/02/09 06:50pm |
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Sahells Mom View Profile |
Message To: Lizard_junkie In reference to Message Id: 2091144 Question
We are lucky enough, on this forum, to have major breeders and researchers monitoring (and once in a while posting). You won’t find that on other forums (Yeah, except for that one!!! LOL!!)!! Why do you think that is? Because this is a forum that is actually looking out for the uromastyx, not a fluff forum. And you should hear some of the newbies argue with the major breeders. No, they don’t argue back, they just ignore the newbie. (okay, except for that breeder/researcher, she’ll argue back! LOL!!) Anyway, I don’t think we start out rude, just end up there when you get frustrated. It also seems to me that more and more, people are wanting to take short cuts. If this is what I need, then this should be good enough. If you had listened to as many sad, disastrous stories as we have on this forum in the last eight years, you might have a lot less patience than you think you do! You try to tell someone what the uro need. They don’t think it’s necessary because the pet shop people said this was the was to do it. The uro dies. Within two weeks, they have another new uro, and still can’t figure out why the new one isn’t eating either. Keep smiling on that one!!!! |
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| 11/02/09 06:51pm |
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Jbreddawg View Profile |
Message To: Vanglow In reference to Message Id: 2091205 Question
Quote: just to add my .02 here
I’m a paid message board (community) administrator on about 40 different sites, it’s what I do for a living, so I see this at least 20 times a day...it’s nothing new. Old time members each have their own personalities and often times come across as rude or not helpful to some newbies...this again is normal and is the sign of a working community...think of it as a big family, there will always be some cousins that you just don’t "get"...same thing here but bieng that sarcasm is harder to judge in print this tends to escalate the situation. On one of my forums we have over 15,000 active members and close to 20 pages a day of threads..we actually have a rule in place that newbies must be registered for two weeks and view a certain amount of topics before posting, just to cut back on this sort of thing. Thanks for the 2 cents vanglow , I am a member of several other boards as well as this one and have been a member of probably a hundred different forums over the years. One thing I notice is when the forums members are older and more mature then this kind of whining doesn’t happen. We have kids,jobs,bills,responsibilities to worry about. Someone coming off as rude on a forum really isn’t that big a deal in the big scheme of things and isn’t even brought up. |
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| 11/02/09 07:32pm |
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Lizard_junkie View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091228 Question
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| 11/02/09 10:40pm |
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Mbwrink View Profile |
Message To: Jbreddawg In reference to Message Id: 2091124 Question
Quote: That’s a pretty poor example don’t you think ? I and most others on this forum are here to help uro’s not hurt them. I would gladly send a spare bulb to someone to help them out as I believe most of the serious members would.
Quote: Most of the people who complain are here and gone in less then a month.
No quite frankly from reading your posts I don’t get the impression you would have made such a gesture rather than handing the owner some abuse. To the second quote the above discussion may be why you have such a high degree of turnover. I do get the feeling from the defensiveness of these posts that you better at handing it out than accepting it. I do field service work in computers and I have many reasons to be exasperated with my customers ignorance or irresponsibility however besides the fact that way some posts on here, if I used the same technique with my customers would get me fired. I have found that changing their long term behavior was a matter of patience and gentleness rather then anything perceived as a harangue. You would probably be surprised to find how many ignore your advice in favor of making you feel appeased, taking it with a grain of salt rather than seriously. You won’t help the animals unless their owners feel helped and they won’t feel helped if they like they feel they are being flamed by curmudgeons. Much like Sugar Snap Pea I take a lot of this with a grain of salt ignoring any rudeness that doesn’t rise to the level of a forum rule offense. To the above post that this is not a fluff forum, there is no reason that this can’t be as social as it is informative, that it is relatively informative is the only reason that I am on here, finding other forums sparse since far less people own these compared to owning a bearded dragon. The reason that I assumed a younger audience in my first post is that the Internet draws more people 30 and under than over and I associate some lack of social graces with the degree of maturity of the individual. However when it comes to having been educated specifically in effective communication in the classical sense of the Trivium’s logic, grammar and rhetoric this hasn’t really been part of our education system since before the Baby Boomers and Dewey’s theories and so called reforms had an impact in teaching. I think a post like this has been long in coming however the first poster could have stated it better. |
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| 11/02/09 11:56pm |
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Obi Carl Kenobi View Profile |
Message To: Mbwrink In reference to Message Id: 2091324 Question
Quote: I think a post like this has been long in coming however the first poster could have stated it better.
We get a post like this every few months or so...its not been a long time coming. It dosent change anything, the regular users on this forum know that the people who start these threads normally vanish after the thread goes bad and never come back, its no big deal we can just get back to giving out info about our uros and set-ups and helping the people who want "real" advice. Just look at some of the other posts where people get the help they need because they asked for help in a humble way, id rather focus on the threads like that, not one like this where someone has joined the forum to start an argument with people he has never spoken to before |
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| 11/03/09 05:29am |
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Mauis Mom View Profile |
Message To: Obi Carl Kenobi In reference to Message Id: 2091357 Question
Why bother coming on this forum (or any other one for that matter) in desperation for advice because your uro is "not eating, not active, deflated...etc if your not going to a) listen to any advice given b) act on any advice given c) argue about any advice given Ive been on here for approx. 10 months, I admit I had major issues with my uro. -- She was an impulse buy from a pet store. I took the pet store advice, 20 gal, calcisand, etc.... but even I knew ( with no uro exp) that she shouldnt be laying around. I posted here, got guidance and made the changes needed. I didnt come on here to get answers from experienced owners so that I could argue with them. I came on here so I could make changes to give my uro the life she deserves. Read through previous posts where someone comes and says my uro just lays there, ppl try to help and the original posters disputes every bit of info given. The ppl your refering to as rude dont have to come on here and share their knowledge, they dont get pd to do it, they have lives of their own. But yet those same ppl that so many of you come on here to bash as being rude come back day after day after day to offer their advice for the love of the species. You come on a forum and one of your first posts is to ask why ppl are so rude... you dont think thats rude? You want rude.... go to some of the other forums on here. |
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| 11/03/09 06:45am |
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