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 #2110499


Rattlersnake
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finally ok so we are pretty much done just the last coat of sealer really stunk up our tank so we are letting it air put before we put the glass on (sliding doors yay) and we are going to put 3-4 inches of sand so that should be good mabey a few decoration some drift wood and vines mabey
so here it is


so this is the full thing


1 corner of it with lighting just reg bulb


this is the lighting wired and every thing and inseated of like pressinf to buttons on the lights we put 1 single switch to turn them all on

and im not sure why but my friend wanted me to put this pic of him almost hugging the tank on here ( he has a mali i went with him to get it from pet supples plus its a boy and he doesnt like to eat a whole lot but boy is he fat)


there he is all hyper ( casual for him)

ill post pics once they are in the tank and all that so ill mssg you guys tomorrow
if you guys have any questing just ask



01/03/10  08:45pm

 #2110501


Rattlersnake
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  Message To: Rattlersnake   In reference to Message Id: 2110499


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oh and they wont lick the wall or eat it right? cause some of the sealer ate through a very thin coat of grout in the hides and ate into the faom another reason why we are letting it air out



01/03/10  08:49pm

 #2110503


Jbreddawg
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  Message To: Rattlersnake   In reference to Message Id: 2110501


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You should fix any problems now before using it. Also, set it up and let it run for atleast a week to get all the temps stable .

You dont plan on putting all three in there do you ?



01/03/10  09:05pm

 #2110663


Rattler989
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  Message To: Jbreddawg   In reference to Message Id: 2110503


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probally they have been together for a while now probally over half a yr but if anything bad happens wewill get em outa there and those two hides arent gonna be the only ones im gonna put 1 or 2 more in so they dont fight over em



01/04/10  02:50pm

 #2110666


Jbreddawg
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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2110663


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Three uro’s in one enclosure is just asking for trouble. Add to it that they are different species and I’m guessing your not even 100 % sure of the sex’s of all of them. Your seriously doing wrong by your pets and nothing good will come of it long term.



01/04/10  02:55pm

 #2110693


UROKEEPER
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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2110663


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oh and they wont lick the wall or eat it right? cause some of the sealer ate through a very thin coat of grout in the hides and ate into the faom another reason why we are letting it air out



if your sealer is eating through the grout and into the foam you have a problem. it’s most likely a toxic sealer especially at elevated temps. I agree with Jbreds posts as well. did you even research materials or did you just grab anything?



01/04/10  04:48pm

 #2110713


Jbreddawg
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  Message To: Rattlersnake   In reference to Message Id: 2110501


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oh and they wont lick the wall or eat it right?



Yes, of course they will. They lick everything and will try to eat stuff also .



01/04/10  05:36pm

 #2110997


Rattler989
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  Message To: Jbreddawg   In reference to Message Id: 2110713


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um i didnt research my dad did i didnt really know at everything was like what plywood we needed and all that so my dad did all the reserching. and about the boy or girl thing im am almost 100% sure my red one is a boy he exibits all male charachteristics and i was told by u guys one of my yellows was a girl and im pretty sure my other yellow is a girl to she has a color like a female and most other things



01/05/10  04:55pm

 #2111003


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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2110997


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you must be possitive...not hoping about the sex. who told you the sex with a picture? thats a guess....Also I would double check on the materials you have used. they don’t seem safe to me.



01/05/10  05:14pm

 #2111031


Jbreddawg
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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2110997


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You will know 100% for sure when one or two of them stop eating and start hiding all the time. Or when one starts biting the other ones,or when one starts losing weight,etc...



01/05/10  06:30pm

 #2111050


Rattler989
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  Message To: Jbreddawg   In reference to Message Id: 2111031


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um we used grout sealer we ran out of thaat so we used some other sealer, we used grout, um some pink panther foam i think its called we used some lights like the ones up top. we used some stain on the out side the tank. we used brushes if that counts as something that could be wrong. wire and we are hoping to put washed playsand in it. and ill see about what to do with the bad spots tomorrow we arent gonna put them in there for a while yet. jbreddawg if i notice anything out of the ordinary or what you guys say could be a bad sigh i will seperate them right away so far i havent seen any biting, they all eat just i cant watch them eat all day long cause of school.. but i usaualy see them all eat. the y go to sleep when i turn off the lights um i dont really know wat else to tell you guys so ill mssg you tomorrow



01/05/10  07:20pm

 #2111067


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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2111050


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um we used grout sealer we ran out of thaat so we used some other sealer, we used grout, um some pink panther foam i think its called we used some lights like the ones up top. we used some stain on the out side the tank.



OH MY



01/05/10  07:52pm

 #2111072


Jbreddawg
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  Message To: UROKEEPER   In reference to Message Id: 2111067


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uummmm ok



01/05/10  08:09pm

 #2111108


URO LOVER
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  Message To: Jbreddawg   In reference to Message Id: 2111072


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not good with 3 uros in that cage,,, but the way really nice cage...

u need a massive size cage for 3



01/05/10  09:49pm

 #2111278


Rattler989
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  Message To: URO LOVER   In reference to Message Id: 2111108


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i think ove got one of the smaller breedes. and also i seen a breeder on here who keeps his/her pairs in a 4x2x2. is grout sealer a problem because when we reserched we resereched of a sight that specificly told us to use grout sealer



01/06/10  02:31pm

 #2111281


Rattler989
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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2111278


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so here one more thing Link keejane hope you dont mind but i have to get all of this sorted out. why can you put paint on it and not sealer???????????????????? or can i put sealer on it or what is wrong with it i dont see anything wrong with it except that little whole im gonna try to do something with it. and what size wattage should i use for the lights?????



01/06/10  02:42pm

 #2111298


Rose of Jericho
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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2111281


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why can you put paint on it and not sealer?


Depends on the paint. Depends on the sealant. Without more details it’s impossible to say. Some are okay, some aren’t. How do they react to heat? To UV? To scratching? Do they emit fumes? How well do they cure? Etc. It’s impossible to generalise since some paints or sealants may behave differently to others.



01/06/10  04:10pm

 #2111586


Rattler989
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  Message To: Rose of Jericho   In reference to Message Id: 2111298


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ok all i can realy answer of that sealer stuff is it emits some fumes but a lot of them do i dont see why that would be a big problem. i think it should be ok to heat and stuff i remember the sealer was like multi purpose i think dont exactly remeber cause i cant find it we had just enough left to finish so my dad must have thrown it away



01/07/10  02:38pm

 #2111594


Rose of Jericho
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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2111586


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it emits some fumes but a lot of them do i dont see why that would be a big problem.


You have a big room. It emits fumes, your room smells horrible. Now imagine you’re a lizard, in really quite a small room. You have to breathe those fumes the whole time. That’s usually unhealthy and is often referred to as Cruelty To Animals.

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i think it should be ok to heat and stuff


Sometimes the heat can cause it to emit fumes for quite a long time. See above.

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i remember the sealer was like multi purpose


"Multi-purpose" usually refers to around the house and garden - why do you think there are so many special versions of "normal" products designed specially for animals? Your lizard is not a desk, or a chair, or a toy. It is a living animal and needs good conditions to live in. You cannot simply pick any old stuff and slap it on, without researching first. If you want to own a pet which has very specific living requirements, you have to accept the responsibilty of making sure those requirements are met. A lizard of this type is not a good pet for anybody who is lazy or irresponsible. I’m not necessarily saying that you are either of those, but if you ignore this message and go ahead and use "something" in the lizard’s living space, then you certainly are.

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i think


This is the problem - you don’t have any solid facts. You need to be sure of what you’re putting into the enclosure, and you need to be sure that it is safe for lizards, in high-temperature environments. This is why you cannot use MDF, or pine/cedar/any soft wood, for example - they emit toxic (to lizards, not to humans) fumes when exposed to high temperatures. I am not trying to attack you, if you are genuinely interested in learning; I simply want to ensure that your lizard is in a suitably safe and healthy environment.



01/07/10  03:06pm

 #2111607


UROKEEPER
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  Message To: Rose of Jericho   In reference to Message Id: 2111594


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I agree with Rose 100%...personally I would start over and build anotheror strip everything down, sand everything until no sealer,grout is left and reuse your materials ONLY IF THEY ARE SAFE MATERIALS. if not buy safe materials.



01/07/10  04:24pm

 #2111614


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  Message To: UROKEEPER   In reference to Message Id: 2111607


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depending on product/materials toxic fumes can outgas for decades causing a variety of health issues. cancer and respiratory issues are on the long list.



01/07/10  04:36pm

 #2111669


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  Message To: Rattlersnake   In reference to Message Id: 2110499


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As Urokeeper said, you need to know 100% what type of materials you are working with. If you are unsure, chances are they are not safe to be used for Uro’s due to the extreme heat requirements. Most plywoods are glued together using a formaldehyde glue which emits very hazardous fumes at temperatures above 100F not only to your Uro, but to yourself as well.

Also, you need to use a non-scented sealer, preferrably one that is designed with withstand high heat. These selaers are usually a bit more pricy then the cheap $5 cans of wood sealer. There was one that an experienced/reputable Uro owner told me about, but forget the name offhand. I can check it and get back to you on it later, but I believe the price was $16-$20/quart.



01/07/10  07:13pm

 #2111672


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  Message To: Rtl402   In reference to Message Id: 2111669


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Sorry, I wouldn’t waste anymore time with this one. He has no clue what materials are being used and doesnt seem to care. did no research to help his dad to pick the correct stuff and doesnt seem to care.Is putting in three uro’s of unknown sex with one being a different species and doesnt seem to care.
Nothing more any of us say is going to change all that. He’s NOT going to build a new cage and he IS going to jam all three uro’s in there. I’m done.
He sure can post pics though .



01/07/10  07:19pm

 #2111721


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  Message To: Rtl402   In reference to Message Id: 2111669


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RTL here is a link to what I used "hard seal" the msds pda’s should be there too.

Link



01/07/10  10:31pm

 #2111726


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  Message To: Rtl402   In reference to Message Id: 2111669


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preferrably one that is designed with withstand high heat.




"Stability: Stable, however avoid temperatures above 177°C/350°F, the onset of
polymer decomposition."



01/07/10  10:42pm

 #2111849


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  Message To: Rtl402   In reference to Message Id: 2111669


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rtl402
If you are unsure, chances are they are not safe to be used for Uro’s due to the extreme heat requirements. Most plywoods are glued together using a formaldehyde glue which emits very hazardous fumes at temperatures above 100F not only to your Uro, but to yourself as well.



I’m curious as to where everyone always gets this information from. Plywood in typical house construction sees these temps and much higher in most of the United States. Plywood used as roof sheathing sees ambient air temperatures in attics as high as any Uro enclosure and surface temperatures of composite shingles against the plywood most definitely have higher temperatures than basking temps.


From my understanding the release of formaldehyde from wood products is from the introduction of water breaking down the glue and when it dries or the water is removed the formaldehyde is released (hydrolysis)



01/08/10  11:51am

 #2111852


Jbreddawg
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  Message To: Datsunissan28   In reference to Message Id: 2111849


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Plywood in typical house construction sees these temps and much higher in most of the United States. Plywood used as roof sheathing sees ambient air temperatures in attics as high as any Uro enclosure and surface temperatures of composite shingles against the plywood most definitely have higher temperatures than basking temps.



All very true. And any offgassing is released into the atmosphere or the attic where it will dissipate.

Now imagine being in an extremely tiny enclosed box with nowhere to escape and have the same offgassing taking place right in the very area your trying to live in ?



01/08/10  11:57am

 #2112362


Rtl402
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  Message To: Jbreddawg   In reference to Message Id: 2111852


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Urokeeper: good choice. I cant find the damn link I had to the other sealer, I will send off an email to find out what its called cause its driving me crazy now heh.

JBred; BINGO. The outgassing of plywood in homes is also minimal due to roofs being covered in shingles over the plywood. Plywood outgassing is much less, however there is some outgassing of asphalt shingles, but thats another story. This will outgass into the open air, not into a 4x2 enclosed space. Concentrations in the enclosure is what is truly deadly



01/10/10  08:54am

 #2112454


Rattler989
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  Message To: Rtl402   In reference to Message Id: 2112362


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it doesnt smell anymore



01/10/10  02:41pm

 #2112518


Jbreddawg
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  Message To: Rattler989   In reference to Message Id: 2112454


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It may not smell to you, but close it up/heat it up/and lock your uro inside it and see what happens.



01/10/10  06:38pm
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