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#2260232 New mali owner View Profile	Mali wants out Hi everyone Iam a new owner of a Mali I got him from a pet store And he seems to be doing ok I took him to a vet all was good he seems to be A bit shy he dose not like to be held he prefers to run away at this point will this take along time To adjust to each other? Also he seems to want to come out of his home he scratches at the glass doors He has a 4 ft encloser that is pretty much set up to the T just for a Mali so Iam lost on why he wants out. Any thoughts? He is about a year of age they say and about 10 1/2 inches long .
03/26/12  12:00pm
#2260233 Vers View Profile	Message To: New mali owner   In reference to Message Id: 2260232  Mali wants out The acclimation process can take a bit of work, especially with this genus which is by no means the more interactive genus of lizard. There is a good chance the uro will never warm up, but that’s not to say it won’t. Anyway, Urowiki (google it) is your friend :) If you haven’t already check it out and be sure to read through every section. Until then would you mind providing a bit more info? Exact enclosure dimensions, exact lighting type, substrate type, temps (basking, warm side, cool side) and how they were measured, and diet--a picture of the uro and the enclosure would be helpful too.
03/26/12  12:14pm
#2260258 New mali owner View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2260233  Mali wants out Thankyou I appreciate your info. our Mali’s name is Arthur. He has an enclosure from showcase cages.com if you have ever seen them I did start him in a glass tank but learned quick he needed bigger and a little bit better the measurements I believe are 48 by 24 and 18-20 in ht. He loves to eat leafy greens ,peas,squash,carrots and the bird seed and I put some bean mix on top that Ichoped up in the coffee grinder he really loves it . I use millet as his substrate it was recommend to me by a breeder and our vet. It’s clean and safe, and he dose not seen to have a problem w/ that either he digs in it to go in his hiding places the heat is at 100 to 110 at one end and 80 at the other humidity is about 25% he also has a repto glo 5.0 . I did do an extensive amount of research on the Mali’s of course after purchasing him, he wasn’t my intention that day but now want to make sure he is very happy and do hope he will be able to warm up to us. It has been 2 weeks just FYI.
03/26/12  05:38pm
#2260270 Vers View Profile	Message To: New mali owner   In reference to Message Id: 2260258  Mali wants out Thanks for the info :) A few things that are in need of clarification and adjustment. -What type of leafy greens? Some can be harmful and detrimental to your uros health. It’s recommended that you stick to curly endive, escarole and smaller quantities of dandelion greens as staple food items (fed everyday). You can mix in other greens and veggies such as collards, radicchio, diced yellow/red/green bell peppers, squash, shredded carrot every couple of days. It’s recommended that peas be offered less frequently, as they are high in proteins. -Your basking temps should be in the 120-130 range with a cool end in the mid 80’s -The type of UVB you’re offering at this point in time is too low--if you’re using fluorescent the UVB rating should be at 10.0 or 12.0, not 5.0. These types of bulbs must be within a certain distance in order to the animal to receive any useful UVB (usually 8-12" for standard t8 or t5 fluorescent). The bulb you currently have is also a compact fluorescent (CFL) UVB bulb, which I would recommend discontinuing since they are generally not recommended. If you have 18-20" of distance between the basking area and the bulb you could also go with an MVB (ZooMed PowerSun 100 or 160), which are the best option for UVB utput, or just stick to standard fluorescent UVB tubes (ZooMed ReptiSun or Arcadia 10.0 or 12.0). I hope that helps.
03/26/12  07:09pm
#2260271 Vers View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2260270  Mali wants out Also, how are you measuring temps?
03/26/12  07:14pm
#2260278 New mali owner View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2260271  Mali wants out Thankyou again I have 3 readings in the tank but also have a digital reader that I can hand check w/ and his leafy greens so far have been dandilion greens , bok choy, some Romain and a little kale until I found out they shouldn’t have that either
03/26/12  08:14pm
#2260290 Vers View Profile	Message To: New mali owner   In reference to Message Id: 2260278  Mali wants out Are the temp gauges in the tank digital or analog? If they are the latter, I would not put any stock into their accuracy--they are simply too unreliable. It would be a good idea to pick up a digital indoor/outdoor temp/humidity gauge for more accurate readings. Also, you said you have a "digital reader", but I’m not quite sure what you mean by this...is it an IR gun? As for diet, I’m assuming you found the food items list on Urowiki? If that’s the case then you probably already know to be careful when picking dandelions in the wild--not only do other plants mimic the leaves but they can also contain pesticides and or harmful fertilizers. If they happen to be plucked from the wild just ensure you, your neighbors or whoever owns the property are not using such things.
03/26/12  09:15pm
#2260333 New mali owner View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2260290  Mali wants out The gauges are analog but will change to digital and I believe the hand held is what your saying its a hand held that allows you to check the temp any were. As for the vegetation I go to our local organic grocers and find what I can I am not always lucky to find some things have any suggestion’s?
03/27/12  12:41pm
#2260334 Vers View Profile	Message To: New mali owner   In reference to Message Id: 2260333  Mali wants out Sometimes I can’t find certain food items, but fortunately for me I have various grocery stores too choose from, so at least one will be carrying what I need. I can only suggest branching out a bit if you can. As for the digital temp unit you’re using, I’ve got to assume it’s an IR temp gun. Can you name the mfr and model?
03/27/12  12:56pm
#2260338 Vers View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2260334  Mali wants out to choose from* (Sorry, autocorrect).
03/27/12  01:18pm
#2260341 New mali owner View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2260338  Mali wants out Ok its a Zoo Med and all it has is item # RT-1 and all I have to do is point it at an object and push scan and it will give me a reading temp. Hope this helps , thankyou for all your knowledge and help you have been great.
03/27/12  02:11pm
#2260349 Vers View Profile	Message To: New mali owner   In reference to Message Id: 2260341  Mali wants out OK, yes, that’s an IR gun. Keep in mind that with that particular model you must take readings within 1" of the targeted area since it has a 1:1 distance to spot ratio.
03/27/12  03:24pm
#2261135 Boabab95 View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2260349  Mali wants out This is a bit off topic, but do have a picture of your Uro? I’m asking because Mali closed it’s exports in 2007, so while there is a chance yours is a Mali, it’s a lot more likely that it is infact, a dispar [Very closely related to mali’s] or if it’s a juvi, it could be a geyri, as i have seen [and corrected] a LOT of petstores that claim to be selling WC juvi Mali’s...and then there’s the off chance that the petstore you got it from only know about mali’s, and it’s a completely different species... I’ve seen some places call egyptians and ornates, mali’s... again, completely off topic, but i thought i’d ask...
04/02/12  03:29pm
#2261143 Vers View Profile	Message To: Boabab95   In reference to Message Id: 2261135  Mali wants out Quote: I’m asking because Mali closed it’s exports in 2007, so while there is a chance yours is a Mali, it’s a lot more likely that it is infact, a dispar... I’ve always found this to be an intriguing and fairly muddy topic. Are there any tell tale physical traits that separate U. maliensis (Mali) and U. dispar (Sudan, not to be confused with U. ocellata)? The whole dispar/mali thing is quite confusing as some sources treat them as the same species while others break them down into two different subspecies. Does anyone have comparison images?
04/02/12  04:00pm
#2261165 Boabab95 View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2261143  Mali wants out Quote: I’ve always found this to be an intriguing and fairly muddy topic. Are there any tell tale physical traits that separate U. maliensis (Mali) and U. dispar (Sudan, not to be confused with U. ocellata)? The whole dispar/mali thing is quite confusing as some sources treat them as the same species while others break them down into two different subspecies. Does anyone have comparison images? First off, I’d like to say that i honestly think there’s a 3rd species being sold, that’s classified as Dispars/ or mali’s, but it hasn’t been "discovered"... i haven’t gotten to do DNA tests yet, so i can’t say that for sure. :p Believe it or not, once you see them side by side, it’s actually incredibly easy to tell them apart... I find Mali’s tend to exhibit brighter colours [blacker blacks, brighter yellows, or just tan all the way trough] while Dispars tend to have duller coloration [although this point is fairly weak, as i’ve seen some BEAUTIFUL dispars with insane colouring] Mali’s also tend to have a larger variation in patterns along their backs [i.e. occelations, slight banding - not to be confused with wild bandedxmali hybrids - and dots] while dispars don’t exhibit as much variation within the species as a whole, let alone within each population. They also have a different number of rings on their tail, but i can’t remember what they were, i think it’s something like 21-23 is mali, 23+ is dispar, but take that with a grain of salt.... thats the summary of it, there’s a few other thing that are a bit harder to explain, so i wont touch on those points, but again, depending on the population, they do look INCREDIBLY similar.... Here’s a couple pics... Mali Dispar
04/02/12  06:21pm
#2261171 Vers View Profile	Message To: Boabab95   In reference to Message Id: 2261165  Mali wants out See, the bottom image just looks like a female mali to me. Do you have any idea as to the sex of the individual in that image? Based on the written description of U. dispar on CITES, and like you said, it sounds like the the difference is the general lack of contrast and more dull coloration dispar exhibits...yet, according to your statement, they can also be brightly colored like mali’s, which confuses the issue further. Would you happen to have a published source that lists the physical differences?
04/02/12  06:41pm
#2261251 Boabab95 View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2261171  Mali wants out i believe that’s a male in the bottom picture... I used to have a paper with the differences, but i cant seem to find it right now, ill post it when i do though...
04/03/12  12:07pm
#2261259 Vers View Profile	Message To: Boabab95   In reference to Message Id: 2261251  Mali wants out But you’re not sure? Is it your image or do you know who took it? And yes, I’d be very interested in that article.
04/03/12  01:51pm
#2261356 Leopaedgecko View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2261259  Mali wants out The uro I have that I was told is a dispar is nearly pitch black so not sire if I was misinformed or if that is just because he is a baby still
04/04/12  12:47am
#2261398 Boabab95 View Profile	Message To: Leopaedgecko   In reference to Message Id: 2261356  Mali wants out your "pitch black mali’’ could be a banded [uromastyx flavofasciata]...
04/04/12  10:56am
#2261429 Vers View Profile	Message To: Boabab95   In reference to Message Id: 2261398  Mali wants out While I’ve never seen a hatchling and the probability is low, could it be a U. alfredschmidti? I’d love to see an updated photo of the little guy/gal all warmed up, preferably in another thread.
04/04/12  01:06pm
#2261556 Leopaedgecko View Profile	Message To: Vers   In reference to Message Id: 2261429  Mali wants out That could explain his attitude and absolute hate of anything to do with me
04/05/12  02:45am

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