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 #1463088


SoLA
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 Rear-Fanged???

I just thought I would post a few pictures of some of my fun colubrids

Here is a nice close up of my male mussurana. He is eating rodents without trouble. My female is still kind of sticking to snakes, but I can get her eating scented rodents, sometimes it just takes putting a piece of snake skin on the rodents head. I was just thrilled when she started eating ball pythons.



These are my Pseustes poecilonotus. They are not usually considered "rear-fanged," but they do have mildly enlarged teeth, and the glands are certainly present. But if they were seriosuly venomous, there is no way I would ever be working with them. Way crazier than any elapid I have seen.



09/30/07  03:52pm

 #1463884


FishMich
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1463088


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those are some great looking animals you have there. a couple species i dont get to see too often so thanks for sharing. that poecilonotus looks like it could have a bit of an attitude.
10/01/07  10:01am

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SoLA
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   Message To: FishMich   In reference to Message Id: 1463884


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They can be a bit difficult. However, when handled, they calm down quite a bit. I just don’t handle them often because I don’t want to lose the fun. I would miss having to chase a snake across the room while feeding : )



10/01/07  11:36am

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RePtiLOVER
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1463963


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How about some mussarana feeding shots?
10/01/07  07:32pm

 #1464668


SoLA
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   Message To: RePtiLOVER   In reference to Message Id: 1464489


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How are these?



10/01/07  09:46pm

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SoLA
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1464668


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You think those would get a lot of heat if I put them in the Ball python forum?



10/01/07  09:48pm

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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1464675


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Awesome stuff SoLa, especially the Pseustes poecilonotus ! JQ
10/01/07  10:23pm

 #1464783


Froggymadnes
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   Message To: BigBend66   In reference to Message Id: 1464739


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Why do you feed balls? Is it because they have a large girth? I dont see the point of feeding such an expensive snake....
10/01/07  10:45pm

 #1464795


SoLA
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   Message To: Froggymadnes   In reference to Message Id: 1464783


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I breed ball pythons, and there is a lot more to them than baby colubrids. And I really don’t want to raise things up to get nice and big to get fed off. I get way too attached to animals rather quickly. I also don’t want to risk any kind of serious disease, so I only feed her CBB snakes. And it is even better quarantine procedure when you don’t have to bring in outside snakes to feed.



10/01/07  10:55pm

 #1464834


RePtiLOVER
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1464795


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Very nice pics.

Quote:

You think those would get a lot of heat if I put them in the Ball python forum?



Go for it, it is ball python related.
10/01/07  11:25pm

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   Message To: RePtiLOVER   In reference to Message Id: 1464834


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SOLA!!!!!!!!!! OMG, I am shocked! I feel so bad for the BP now, I had no idea that snakes eat snakes... I will stay out of these forums and keep my butt in the BP section, I didnt want to see that.
10/02/07  12:41am

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SoLA
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   Message To: Butterflychaserr   In reference to Message Id: 1464864


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Sorry you did not enjoy the photo as much as some of the venomous snake lovers, but don’t feel bad for the BP, and don’t be shocked. It is a natural part of the snake world. That ball python went to support the life of a very cool snake that I have spent many hours working with. The day she started taking ball pythons was a huge weight off my chest. It isn’t always easy to get good sized colubrids that aren’t (or weren’t) sick. A lot of Ball python people think they have it rough when they can’t get a snake to switch from mice to rats...imagine what it is like having a snake that only likes to eat certain snakes.



10/02/07  02:30am

 #1465319


Bogie
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1464900


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do you feel the pythons when they are alive, or do you kill them , if so how do you kill them, im not sick or twiested, just wondering.
why do you breed balll pythons if you dont want them to grow, other than to feed you clelia clelia.
btw, i caught a baby mussurana in costa rica, beautiful as babies.
harry
10/02/07  04:14pm

 #1465322


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   Message To: Bogie   In reference to Message Id: 1465319


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sorry, i meant *feed the pythons, not feel.
10/02/07  04:15pm

 #1465342


SoLA
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   Message To: Bogie   In reference to Message Id: 1465322


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Honestly, I try very hard to not have to feed snakes to other snakes. I rarely feed whole snakes to her. Most of the time I am able to take a frozen snake and use a razor blade to cut some skin off and put it on a rodent. Sometimes I rub the snake over the rodent for added scent (sometimes I use inners). When I am really lucky, or she is really hungry, I can get her to take rodents wrapped in shed skin. But this is a rarity.

Very very very rarely will I take a live healthy snake and feed it to a mussurana. However, I will do this before I kill the snakes myself. Her combination of squeezing and envenomating is probably quicker and less pain than throwing a snake in a freezer.

Usually I feed f/t snakes that die from some non-illness/non-parasite related cause that probably happened in incubation.

I breed ball pythons because they are good snakes to sell as pets. They are good snakes for people to start getting interested in snakes, and they have a strong market. And on a financial note, I breed ball pythons to pay for food for the other snakes. If they can be the food for other snakes, we skip two steps : )



10/02/07  04:36pm

 #1466700


Froggymadnes
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1465342


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oh i see. The one in the top pic looks likes a pastel ball though =/. Probably not, I’m not very good with balls, but its pretty anyway. How long u been workin with hots?
10/03/07  10:09pm

 #1466774


Okeetee Man
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   Message To: Froggymadnes   In reference to Message Id: 1466700


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Guys leave the guy alone, feeding snakes there natural food is the right thing to do... If he stops feeding it snakes and is forced to eat rodents it will probobly turn out really stressed out! What if someone came up to you and said "eating meat, veggies, and fruits is a horrible thing to do!" i bet you wouldn’t like it... and if you have a problem with people feeding there pets there natural food just don’t look or bother looking!



10/03/07  11:02pm

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SoLA
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   Message To: Okeetee Man   In reference to Message Id: 1466774


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I actually didn’t take it that people were getting mad about it. It seemed like more people who had not worked with snake eating snakes were actually interested in hearing more.

But I can’t help but say...ball pythons aren’t their natural food. Also, if there is one thing I can honestly say about mussuranas, it is that they are not really high stress snakes. They just won’t eat what they don’t want to eat. Once you get them to start taking rodents, they can do it quite vigorously.

oh, and I breed pastels.
10/04/07  12:58am

 #1466904


Okeetee Man
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1466883


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But I can’t help but say...ball pythons aren’t their natural food. Also, if there is one thing I can honestly say about mussuranas, it is that they are not really high stress snakes. They just won’t eat what they don’t want to eat. Once you get them to start taking rodents, they can do it quite vigorously.



What I’m saying is they "EAT" snakes it really doesn’t matter what type of snakes they eat. I agree the once you get them start eating rodents they’ll start... but how long have you been feeding him/her snakes?
10/04/07  01:45am

 #1467077


SoLA
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   Message To: Okeetee Man   In reference to Message Id: 1466904


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real quickly, it does matter what type of snake they eat. She would not accept ball pythons in the past because she did not recognize them as food. They can absolutely que in on different species. And I have noticed a much bigger feeding trigger when I use colubrids from areas these snakes live. My male will actually jump at the chance to eat a shed skin from a Philodryas, but will not touch a ball python (not dead anyway).

She is roughly one year old, and has been eating snakes her entire life.



10/04/07  10:25am

 #1467233


STEVIE IRWIN THE 3RD
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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1467077


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I think the bp on top is a ghost ball python, pretty rare. I think you should buy feeder snakes like rat snakes or something else, not bp’s. Please try it, but if it doesnt work then i’ll feel bad about your future bp’s
10/04/07  02:01pm

 #1467275


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   Message To: STEVIE IRWIN THE 3RD   In reference to Message Id: 1467233


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I own three ball pythons currently. I’m not totaly discusted, just wondering why you fed a morph to your mussurana? But people, snakes eat snakes...it’s life. Now, I wouldn’t feed any of my balls to anything, nor their offspring, but if that snake eats ball pythons and their set in their decesion...then there is not realy anything they can do about it.

Realy nice snakes by the way.

-Thorn-
10/04/07  02:48pm

 #1467611


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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1463088


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are you kidding me? why on earth would you feed your snakes ball pythons, you must be insane, i cant believe that would actually feed a ball python to another snake, you say that you breed ball pythons well i think that you shouldn’t if you are going to feed them to your other snakes.
something is just wrong there
10/04/07  07:42pm

 #1467623


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   Message To: Tommy Layton   In reference to Message Id: 1467611


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Almost every animal on the planet is somewhere somehow in someway raised...bred and used for food for humans and animals alike...its life and you need to get over it

I wouldnt feed other snakes to any other snake unless i had to its pointless to do otherwise...but you have to understand some snakes will only eat other snakes and only certain species...
10/04/07  07:54pm

 #1467798


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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1464668


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wow, that is a BEAUTIFUL snake:)!! i don’t care what you feed it, if i could get feeder snakes cheaply i would want one lol. great job it looks super healthy:)!



10/04/07  10:02pm

 #1467825


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   Message To: Skittles73   In reference to Message Id: 1467798


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Quote:

What if someone came up to you and said "eating meat, veggies, and fruits is a horrible thing to do!"


Im vegetarian. Sorry to spam this thread. Beautiful snakes, and I admire you to take the responsibility of caring for such wonderful but deadly creatures.
10/04/07  10:24pm

 #1467955


SoLA
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   Message To: Froggymadnes   In reference to Message Id: 1467825


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I am not going to say much on this thread. Somewhat because I enjoy seeing all the different responses.

But I do want to say I admire froggymadnes. I am not a vegetarian, and I don’t think I could be. Simply because I love my protein. But I absolutely wish I could on an environmental standpoint. I am at a point where I have drastically lowered my beef intake from restaurants because of the cheap cattle ranching done in the rain forests. But I can not yet completely get rid of meat in my diet. I admire your restraint.

And now for a quick comment on a post made above. This is kind of tongue in cheek...but if I should not breed ball pythons if some will get fed to a mussurana...should I have to buy them then?



10/05/07  01:05am

 #1468031


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   Message To: Tommy Layton   In reference to Message Id: 1467611


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Just to put my sixpence worth in Africa Royal (Ball) Pythons are good food and have bean collected and eaten for centuries. Tastes like Chicken!
10/05/07  04:22am

 #1468132


Your_only_nightmare
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   Message To: Slos40   In reference to Message Id: 1468031


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its simple as you lot eat meat, nothing wrong with it... and like he said, tries not too

what would you rather do... have you snake die of starvation... or feed them snake? i know what route i would take
10/05/07  08:34am

 #1468238


Eternalwitch
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   Message To: Your_only_nightmare   In reference to Message Id: 1468132


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hey just had to jump in here! DO NOT PUT THIS STUFF UP ON THE BALL PYTHON PAGE! Have a little class and some dignity! What happens with this type of snake should stay on THIS forum NOT BALL forum. That is simply CRUEL and down right MEAN!!!!!!! Do what you have to do but DO NOT RUB IT IN OTHERS FACES!
AND THAT’S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT...HAVE A NICE DAY!
10/05/07  10:37am
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