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#1675438
Ambiguous666
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Hello a question about FWC?? 
on here people say there have been no reports or have heard of anyone dying from a bite from one, but in the the reptiles magazine of May 2008 in the section about them it said fatilities have been reported in them, and its happened???
i was just wondering
thanks
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03/25/08 05:45pm
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#1676321
TJP
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Message To: Ambiguous666 In reference to Message Id: 1675438
Hello a question about FWC??
While I do enjoy reading reptiles magazine from time to time, some of the info they print is garbage. Hell, they might as well have Jack Hanna write articles for them. I’m sure a FWC could drop an elephant.
And, BTW, bothrops asper and crotalus durissus are also the two most venomous snakes in the world. Just ask reptiles magazine. Damn, I hate bad reporting and writing.
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03/26/08 06:38am
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#1677636
GECKOGIRL22
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Message To: TJP In reference to Message Id: 1676321
Hello a question about FWC??
Some of the stuff is correct, but even when experts write articles there’s always a mistake or something. Reptiles doesn’t know anything about venomous, at all.
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03/27/08 10:27am
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#1682262
TJP
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Message To: GECKOGIRL22 In reference to Message Id: 1677636
Hello a question about FWC??
"Reptiles doesn’t know anything about venomous, at all."
Ya hit the nail right on the head.
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03/30/08 04:18pm
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#1684519
Navy_JD
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Message To: TJP In reference to Message Id: 1682262
 Hello a question about FWC??
Well, thanks to that article, I decided to go ahead and get an FWC. It’s a juvie, about 3.5’ long and really solid. The article did have one thing right- do not put anything in the tank that you don’t want destroyed! No sooner had I dropped the critter in and closed the lid when he launched himself after a feeder gecko near the top of the cage. He missed, but spent the next 5 minutes in hot pursuit of the thoroughly terrified lizard. Branches, plants, substrate all went flying. Fortunately, I used a heavy duty water dish and basking stand otherwise those would have been arse-over-teakettle. He finally calmed down once he found the H2O dish and proceeded to soak a good long time. As for feeding, he devoured everything within range: a slow lizard, f/t hopper, two live hoppers and a cricket. Now he’s ready to shed.
The article (and several posts I’ve seen elsewhere) stated that these guys are really mellow as far as handling goes. I won’t mess around while it’s going to shed, but has anyone had a warm/fuzzy experience with an FWC. The look on its face doesn’t convey huggability, but you never know.
I do have a pair of C. atrox so I’m not a cherry as to hots.
Oh, and since Reptiles doesn’t know squat about venomous, any suggestions as to a mag that does??
JD
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03/31/08 10:23pm
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#1687754
Snakebuz
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Message To: Navy_JD In reference to Message Id: 1684519
Hello a question about FWC??
JD, Venemousreptiles.org might be a good place to start looking. In answer to the FWC, is it a CB or WC you picked up? They are almost racer fast for short bursts, and if kept in a really large tank they can be problematic to get out easily... mine never wanted to balance on a snake hook, LOL. In smaller containers, mine are fairly easy to get out, just don’t condition your snake to having to chase prey would be the best advise I could give you. If he’s in a large cage, always put F/T prey in a certain feeding spot away from his hide, that way he won’t be thinking you are possibly putting food in when you go to catch him out. Mine handle about like nervous Pituophis when first grabbed out of the tank. They settle down once picked up quicker than a milksnake does though. DO not try to intervene if he is chasing something though, LOL. They hit pretty hard. Never any bad reactions, and I’ve been bitten by large W/C and large C/B too. Of course, I didn’t let them chew on me either, might have made the difference.
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04/03/08 01:51pm
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#1688519
Ambiguous666
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Message To: Snakebuz In reference to Message Id: 1687754
Hello a question about FWC??
when they bit you how did you get them of?
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04/03/08 11:00pm
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#1689109
Snakebuz
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Message To: Ambiguous666 In reference to Message Id: 1688519
Hello a question about FWC??
Generally they don’t bite, hold and chew unless they think that they are grabbing prey. All of mine have been bite and releas except one. For those, keep small pieces of plastic like a credit card around, slide the card in under the top teeth, then another under the bottom teeth. Anything works, even a pencil, but the pencil lets teeth reattach as it goes back towards the back of the mouth, the card blocks reattachment.
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04/04/08 01:26pm
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#1689719
Navy_JD
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Message To: Snakebuz In reference to Message Id: 1689109
Hello a question about FWC??
Hi snakebuz- I did find venemousrep.org awhile ago and have been sporadically checking their site. I bought the FWC from the reptileguru here in Calif. but it wasn’t noted whether W/C or C/B; I’ll ask. In the meantime, I mentioned that the snake was ready to shed- his eyes were totally glazed over like mine on a Saturday night and his color looked a little dull. He spent all day yesterday in his hide sleeping it off. Today he popped out and his eyes were totally clear! And there was no sign of a shed in the cage anywhere; could he have eaten it??
I screwed up the courage to pick him up and there was no problem at all. Not the slightest sign of aggression. I can guarantee, however, that I will never get between the snake and its food. Nor will I handle it after playing with mice. Oh, and I did order a Mangrove snake, just for shi(p)s ’n giggles
JD
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04/04/08 09:34pm
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#1697994
Navy_JD
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Message To: Navy_JD In reference to Message Id: 1689719
Hello a question about FWC??
Disregard my last question about shedding. Obviously the critter just rubbed his face clean in the substrate, because in the next couple days he began to shed large patches of skin. The shed on this animal is a lot thinner than all my other snakes; clear and shiny, almost like Saran Wrap™. The same is true with my newly arrived monster mangrove snake. I’ve only had him for a day so nothing to report except it didn’t appreciate me helping peel his shed off. he struck but way late.
I’ve had the FWC out of the tank several times, took him for show & tell at the local pet store and not even anything close to being an aggressive move. It does, however still seem shy, running like a bat outta hell to the hide when I walk by. The mangrove just stares at me.
JD
Mangrove 0.0.1
FWC 0.0.1
ATB 0.0.1 (Orange Tiger Stripe)
ATB 0.0.2 (Halloweens)
Viridis 0.0.1 (Jayapura)
Sumatran Blood 1.0.0
BRB 0.1.0
CRB 1.0.0
C. Atrox 1.1.0 (Hera & Zeus)
Nicaraguan Redtail 0.0.1
Ball 0.0.1
Grey Rat 0.0.1 (Chocolate phase, my oldest and favorite herp)
Corn 0.0.2 (Baby reds)
Frilled Lizard
Cobalt Blue Tarantula (Nasty mother)
Mexican Pink Leg
Horny Frog (Pacman)
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04/10/08 07:14pm
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#1699415
Navy_JD
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Message To: Navy_JD In reference to Message Id: 1697994
Death by rear-fang.
OK, this is what I witnessed today. Bought three medium adult mice for the FWC, the Blood and the Mangrove. Dropped unsuspecting Mouse A into the FWC tank (100 gallon glass). It diddy-bopped around for awhile, then ducked into the hide where the FWC was lurking. Mouse A stayed for awhile so I went and dispatched Mice B & C to their respective final destinations. Ten minutes later I returned to the FWC tank; A was rooting around in the substrate for food and the cobra hadn’t followed, so I removed the mouse from the enclosure. I noticed a dark spot on its back and assumed it was a dropping from another mouse. I then placed it in with the Red-tail figuring it might be ready to feed as it was moving about. I stepped away for about 15 minutes and when I returned I couldn’t find the mouse anywhere, but the snake didn’t have a bulge. I finally looked under a bark hide and saw a patch of white buried in the substrate. There was Mouse A stiff as a board. The spot on his back was, in fact, blood from a puncture. There was no evidence of being chewed so I am assuming the FWC tagged it once and it took approximately a half hour to succumb.
Previously, I watched the FWC grab a medium mouse by the mid-section, and quickly maneuver its mouth to bring the rear guns into play. Then it threw a coil around its prey and squeezed bending the mouse in half. It didn’t even struggle.
JD
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04/11/08 06:54pm
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#1704066
Navy_JD
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Message To: Navy_JD In reference to Message Id: 1699415
Death by rear-fang pt 2
Another observation of the killing techniques of the FWC. My cobra has one more trick for handling recalcitrant mice; If, for some reason, it does not get a good grip on the rodent’s midsection or head, or the mouse attempts to bite, the FWC will proceed to worry the prey just like my terrier hybrid. He will shake his head and about a foot of his front end violently, whacking said difficult mouse on the sides of the glass or the hide. After about 30 seconds of this, dinner is sufficiently stunned for the snake to shift its grip for a good munch.
A point of disagreement with the author of the FWC article in the May issue of REPTILES. He stated that he would only feed his snakes F/T or pre-killed rodents, chicken parts or "snake snausages" because the cobra has a habit of ’swallowing prey alive threatening the snake’s health’. Maybe he starves his pets and they can’t wait till the prey dies, but I have fed over a dozen live mice to my FWC and it has never started eating before the meal was still. Now my atrox have started to eat before the venom did its work, but not the FWC.
John
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04/15/08 10:18am
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#1706883
Snakebuz
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Message To: Navy_JD In reference to Message Id: 1704066
Death by rear-fang pt 2
John, it is safer to feed F/T, and so much easier that, myself, and most others who keep multiple snakes, will not own a live feeding only snake, and I never give my F/T feeders a chance to decide they want live. Plus, in the case of venemous snakes, this lessens the likelyhood of a snake having to strike to eat, and also the chances of accidental bites, since he looses the sense of needing to strike to kill.
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04/17/08 05:04pm
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#1707330
Navy_JD
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Message To: Snakebuz In reference to Message Id: 1706883
 Death by rear-fang pt 2
Understood- I now only feed the atrox and rear-fanged live. They were all fed on live so I continue. I gave up feeding them to the rest cuz it was too damn expensive for one thing, and the boas and pythons don’t always eat right away and there is that danger of the Mad mouse.
Thanks
John
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04/17/08 10:11pm
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#1710062
Bad2thebone619
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Message To: Navy_JD In reference to Message Id: 1704066
Death by rear-fang pt 2
my fwc is 8ft long now it eats large rats while they are still moving, i use the snake stick to choke the rat a little without fully killing it, when drop it in it has no chance to revive fully do to the fwc finishing the job and eating as it twitches. these snake are smart. you will see. my snake knows me i have 3. and 16 hots.
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04/20/08 01:11pm
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#1710270
Navy_JD
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Message To: Bad2thebone619 In reference to Message Id: 1710062
Death by rear-fang pt 2
Nice FWC.
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04/20/08 04:48pm
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