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 #1735147


Gavin583
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 Wormig snakes

how do you guys deworm the snakes you catch? I have some worm fluid that my sister bought for her cat when it got worms, but I’m gonna check and see if it’s safe to use on snakes before I use it.
05/14/08  01:29pm

 #1735176


Dawn & Terry
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   Message To: Gavin583   In reference to Message Id: 1735147


 Wormig snakes

Have you considered get a fecal sample checked before you put the snake through this much stress?
05/14/08  02:04pm

 #1735192


JEFF QUARLES
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   Message To: Gavin583   In reference to Message Id: 1735147


 Wormig snakes

Use any suringe without the needle of course and slide it down the snakes throat but I would run to the vet and for $5.00 get panacure. Won’t hurt the snake at all, even if it does not have parasites. Use 1 cc of panacure per 18 inches of snake...........piece of cake.
05/14/08  02:17pm

 #1735216


Gavin583
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   Message To: JEFF QUARLES   In reference to Message Id: 1735192


 Wormig snakes

ok thanks. is there a way you can tell if snakes need to be wormed without a fecal exam?
05/14/08  02:44pm

 #1735398


Flherp
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   Message To: Gavin583   In reference to Message Id: 1735216


 Wormig snakes

The dose for Panacur is by weight, perhaps you should consult a veterinarian...
05/14/08  05:50pm

 #1735437


Gavin583
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   Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 1735398


 Wormig snakes

none of my snakes need to be wormed, I’m just deworming my wc snakes as prequations. bUT THANKS EVERYONE i’LL BE DOING MORE RESEARCH ON SNAKE HEALTH AND STUFF LIKE THAT MORE.
05/14/08  06:18pm

 #1735959


JEFF QUARLES
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   Message To: Gavin583   In reference to Message Id: 1735437


 Wormig snakes

wet,runny stool is the best way and 1cc per 18 inches of snake is pretty close to acurate and panacure is harmless even if over done a bit. been doing this for years and have lost very few......
05/15/08  02:47am

 #1735997


Flherp
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   Message To: JEFF QUARLES   In reference to Message Id: 1735959


 Wormig snakes

18 inches of gaboon is drastically different from 18 inches of copperhead. The medication dosage is weight based, scales are readily available so obtaining a weight is not impossible. Also a fecal examination would identify any organisms that ,might pose a problem. Otherwise it is just a shot in the dark as to whether panacur (or any other medication) will help (be given in an adequate dose to kill parasites). How many days are you planning on giving the medication?

It is effective against roundworms, hookworms, whipworms and Taenuria tapeworms, but not common tapeworms. It may also be effective against Giardia (a protozoan). There are other medications which will be effective against flagellates, bacteria, other protozoans, etc. There is no one medication that will treat every parasite, that is why a fecal exam is suggested. In order to properly treat the animal you must first correctly identify what is causing the problem.
05/15/08  06:52am

 #1736013


JEFF QUARLES
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   Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 1735997


 Wormig snakes

evry thing you said is very true but one thing for sure; very few vets will even consider looking at snakes stool much less the snake. That is why I have always had to do most treatments myself with an estimated guess. i live near a somewhat large city with oner 60 vets and not one will go anywhere near a snake....
05/15/08  07:21am

 #1736109


Flherp
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   Message To: JEFF QUARLES   In reference to Message Id: 1736013


 Wormig snakes

There is a list of reptile veterinarians in the msicellaneous info on this site, listed by state. It may be a bit more difficult to find a vet to treat hots, but that is also possible.
05/15/08  09:33am

 #1736156


TJP
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   Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 1736109


 Wormig snakes

Jeff, you don’t need a vet to look at stool samples. Many universities will do analysis for you for a minimal fee. Cornell U in NY is one that will do it, and there are many others. You are able to treat them yourself, so it may actually be cheaper to send the sample out. The one thing I will say though, Cornell can be very difficult to reach someone, but they will do it.



05/15/08  11:19am

 #1736225


JEFF QUARLES
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   Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 1736109


 Wormig snakes

Yeah, but a pain in the assssssss! but your right I just like to be difficult sometimes...



05/15/08  12:45pm

 #1736228


Flherp
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   Message To: TJP   In reference to Message Id: 1736156


 Wormig snakes

The vet can also identify the most effective medication and the proper dose. You can perform fecals at home with the proper tools - microscope, slides, flotation fluid, and a means of identifying the parasites or pathogens. You may be able to locate a lab that will perform the service as well. However, you still need to know the proper medication and the dosage. Vets are also easier to contact, unless you know someone at the U.
05/15/08  12:48pm

 #1736903


JEFF QUARLES
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   Message To: Flherp   In reference to Message Id: 1736228


 Wormig snakes

sounds liked too much trouble to me! I guess I have been lucky in that I have lost maybe 5 snakes to parasites or related illness in 30 years of keeping snakes. Heck, wnen I catch or get any wild snake, the first thing I do is put panacure in their water bowl. I do that just for precations and it seems to be effective........
05/16/08  12:41am

 #1737008


Flherp
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   Message To: JEFF QUARLES   In reference to Message Id: 1736903


 Wormig snakes

Most animals can survive with small parasite loads without a problem.
05/16/08  06:58am

 #1785115


Bad2thebone619
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   Message To: JEFF QUARLES   In reference to Message Id: 1736225


 Wormig snakes

jeff, this is off the subject. I have a question for you my rattles snakes, are regurgitating the rats i feed them, what could cause this. should i separate them too see which one is doing this, and is throwing up food a sign of bad health? when i feed mice this does not happen. i think the snakes are being greedy and eating one too many rats. what would you recommend.



07/06/08  09:58pm

 #1785300


Slitherinslors
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   Message To: Gavin583   In reference to Message Id: 1735147


 Wormig snakes

what would happen if you take a hot snake to a vet in a state where hots are illegal? would they treat or deny the hot of any services?
07/07/08  12:18am

 #1785609


Snakebuz
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   Message To: Slitherinslors   In reference to Message Id: 1785300


 Wormig snakes

Logic says you would stand a good chance of gettin turned into authorities, LOL.

FLHERP, while the politically correct response is to say "take them to the vet", using Flagyl, Droncit and Panacur as a general "parasite cleanup" regimen for w/c animals has long been a method employed by old timers, with great result. They are all relatively safe FOR SNAKES. The rule of thumb method Jeff employs with his 18 inch system of treatment with panacur is a new "rule of thumb" that I have not run across personally. I follow the mg/kg dosing system also. That said, with the broad treatment range that is non toxic using panacur, even using his 18 inch rule would do no harm to a small snake and the worst that could happen to a 18 inch fat boy like a gaboon is that he may not recieve enough. But there is the rub...it’s better to err on the side of caution and give a lesser dose, as a dose too high is fatal and irreversible.
07/07/08  11:20am

 #1785694


Flherp
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   Message To: Snakebuz   In reference to Message Id: 1785609


 Wormig snakes

The common medications generally have a wide therapeutic range, overdosing with some of them requires a significant overdosing (Ivermectin is an exception and reptiles can be easily overdosed), however, it is best to identify the causative organism to determine appropriate medication. Fecal exam is the easiest way to do this, there are enough reference materials and tools available for the more diligent keepers to perform this on their own. Culturing pathogens is a bit more difficult, but can be done. Appropriate dosages for common meds can also be located. Most will find it far easier to take the animal to a vet.

The use of inappropriate medications may do no harm to the animal, it will do no good if not provided in the proper dosage and at the correct intervals. "Some keepers have treated their animals prophylactically upon receipt, and the animals all seem to be in good health" is not a sound basis for effective treatment. It is an anecdote, treatment should not be based on anecdote; cause should be determined and then treatment should be assessed for efficacy.

My response was not politically correct, it is a logically correct response. If you are seeking information on a forum, you probably have not done much research prior. It would probably in the best interest of the animal to take it to a vet with clinical experience treating herps. A veterinarian should be located that can assist with health problems beyond the abilities of the keeper and can provide medications that require a prescription, assistance in treatment, references, etc.



07/07/08  01:03pm

 #1839412


Rai my corn snake
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   Message To: Bad2thebone619   In reference to Message Id: 1785115


 Wormig snakes

Sometimes snake regurgatate their food if its 2 big
08/22/08  01:02pm


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