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 #1721950


DeNizeTru
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 A few WD questions.

I just recently (a little over a month ago), decided to get a water dragon, i ended up leaving the store with 3.
I’m not entirely sure their age, hopefully someone could help me with that according to size, they’re about 12 inches right now, head to tail, one of them is a male and one of them is female (according to research), not entirely sure what the 3rd is yet.
So far, they show no hostility towards each other (there is some arm waving every once in a while), all 3 sleep together at night, during the day 2 of them act fine, and the male tends to dig under the water bowl and lay there for a good portion of the day (i have a moss-like bedding with a large water bowl in the corner atop it). Question 1 - is there a reason he digs under the water bowl and lays under there, whereas the other 2 do not, also, he enjoys being handled more so than the other 2, he also eats less than the other 2.
The humidity is tough to keep up, the water container i have in the tank covers roughly 1/5 of the tank, the water is 1-2 inches deep, there’s a mister above the water container spraying the rest of the tank and there’s a heat bulb above the highest spot in the tank, and there’s a uvb light across the center of the tank, all the way across, the mister is set to mist every 2 hours for 50 seconds, but the humidity still tends to stay between 65-75, Question 2 - is there anything i should change with the humidity thing?
Last question, the wd’s are calm with each other right now, will this change over age? i’m fully prepared to separate them if needed, but even being raised together, will they get aggressive with one another when they get older?



05/01/08  08:10am

 #1722212


Yexalen
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  Message To: DeNizeTru   In reference to Message Id: 1721950


 A few WD questions.

Hi DeNizeTru, welcome to the forum, lots of helpful friendly people around here

If they are about 12 inches then approximately a year give or take a few months, you can always be sure on the age unless you were there while hatching but at a year they are around 12 inches.

You shouldn’t be able to tell the gender yet, if you are going by head, crest, colors, or anything like that then its not for sure the gender, to be positive you have to look near the vent on their underside and the males will have dark raised pores lined up under his back legs, also if you lay them flat (sometimes a little harder to tell if you are not sure what you are looking for) lift up their tail and look near the base of the tail males will have to bulges and females will have none or one.
But these sexing atributes don’t show up clearly until they are mature, usually around 18 inches but some can be told before that.

Because teh one tends to go away fromt he others and seems to be hiding I would think he is stressed out probably because of the other two, you may have two males. How big of an enclosure do they have right now? The way he tolerates handling makes me think he may just be too stressed to care, or actually enjoy being away from the other two... but not positive on this just an assumption not eating as much could also be due to stress. Or numbers of other things

The humidity is usually one of the hardest things to deal with, 65-75 isnt bad you dont want it to drop below 50% but it should stay up around 78% more often then it is around 65.... but it isn’t horrible if those are your levels although yes higher the better but I wouldnt suggest anything over 85% for a short while its fine but not constantly...

As they get older and start maturing into adults then yes it is most likely they can become agressive especially if you have two males. Even brothers or sisters, or ones that have lived together their entire lives may become agressive. They will start defending their territory and they will all want to be the dominant one. Start keeping an eye on it now. I had two younster wds and didnt know the gender it started with arm waving and then about 15 inches Diego (dominant male) was being mean to Angus (we didnt know he was a male until this started happening) wouldn’t let him eat, Angus stayed in one spot never moved, and was stressed bad, never any fighting or agression but we knew what it was. So now they are separated even though they got along fine at first.


Hope thats it and I didnt miss anything, love to see pictures! how big is the enclosure??




05/01/08  02:06pm

 #1722257


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  Message To: Yexalen   In reference to Message Id: 1722212


 A few WD questions.

i use the coconut bark as substrate and mist 1 time a day and humidity stays between 80-85%



05/01/08  02:55pm

 #1722439


DeNizeTru
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  Message To: Jwsurfergirl   In reference to Message Id: 1722257


 A few WD questions.

I do believe the tank is 20 or 30 gallons, i was told it should be fine (for now), but i’ll be getting something larger fairly soon, especially considering how fast they’re growing.
Well, when handling him, he’s quite active.
I recently lost my camera, so i can’t take pictures but i can try to get some soon as possible.



05/01/08  05:43pm

 #1722491


Yexalen
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  Message To: DeNizeTru   In reference to Message Id: 1722439


 A few WD questions.

Yeah thats reallly small. They will need a much bigger tank reallllly soon. that is minimum for one that size. For three that size a 50 would be better start working on the large enclosures soon.

Do they have any names yet



05/01/08  06:15pm

 #1722894


Cphill58
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  Message To: Yexalen   In reference to Message Id: 1722491


 A few WD questions.

Very nicely said Yex.... even if all 3 were females there is always the ALFA leader and the subordinates...(GAWD I hate dominant females .....lol).the runt of the batch usually suffers. Best to get a very big enclosure so each can have their own space and hopefully thrive together...or get 1 extra set up for your 3rd rung subordinate.

That way he/ she has a chance to eat and develope....maybe when it’s big and strong he/she can be mixed with the others for an experimental period of time.

The arm waving is a sign of aggression towards one another. That and head bobbing. maybe head butting and a lick is also not affection but aggression.

You gonna have your hands full soon enough if not already.....lol

Keep us posted this could be a long developing family affair.

Best of luck too
CP



05/02/08  12:52am

 #1722912


DeNizeTru
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1722894


 A few WD questions.

Yeah, i’m getting the impression that it’s beginning to be too small of an enclosure, luckily i know a carpenter and i’m gonna talk to him and try to get one built up myself, cause we all know tank prices are crazy for larger tanks.
As for names, I haven’t really decided yet, i have some ideas, but i’d like to know the sexes before completely deciding.
But the names i was thinking about were Levi, Ladon, and Adel.



05/02/08  01:34am

 #1723002


Finners
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  Message To: DeNizeTru   In reference to Message Id: 1722912


 A few WD questions.

20-30 gallons with 3 12 inch dragons in it!?! That is way to small. Thats too small for one 12 inch dragon. Please upgrade ASAP. Building is a very good idea. Much cheaper and you can design it however you please. Good luck.



05/02/08  07:56am

 #1723053


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  Message To: Finners   In reference to Message Id: 1723002


 A few WD questions.

Experts please correct me if I’m saying something wrong....

If you’re really intending to keep them in the same enclosure when they get bigger, I would suggest to put at least two basking spots, so the dominant one will choose his favourite spot, and the other one/s will take this second spot for basking.

Hope they get along when they’re bigger. I am not that lucky, and sometimes Moleca can’t even see Draco....



05/02/08  09:25am

 #1723314


Yexalen
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  Message To: Buiatti   In reference to Message Id: 1723053


 A few WD questions.

Yes, if you intend to keep them all in an extremely large enclosure for the three of them you need 3 basking spots (2 might be ok) UV that spreads the entire cage, 3 swimming areas, basically 3 of everything that way they can still have what they need and wont be fought for it.

How big are you thinking of going?

I would also think about an emergency back up enclosure just in case somebody decides to get agressive all of a sudden....



05/02/08  04:04pm

 #1723353


DeNizeTru
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  Message To: Yexalen   In reference to Message Id: 1723314


 A few WD questions.

I was thinking 6H X 4-5W X 3D. Ya i understand it being too small now, but like i said, the guys at the shop said "it should be fine for now". Now, for a larger enclosure, will i need multiple uvb lights and heat bulbs?



05/02/08  04:35pm

 #1723367


Seiryu
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  Message To: DeNizeTru   In reference to Message Id: 1723353


 A few WD questions.

If you end up with 2 Males, they will need to be seperated and 1 can be housed with the female, provided the male is not too aggressive.

Yes, you will need 2-3 Basking spots and i’d recommend a 48" UVB and two 18-24" UVB lights that cover the entire cage. It is definitely necessary that the UVB lights hit the Basking spots for sure.

That size cage you are thinking of building would be fine for the Male/Female Pair OR a single Male, but I am not sure about 3 (If 2 happen to be Female).



05/02/08  04:47pm

 #1723389


Yexalen
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  Message To: DeNizeTru   In reference to Message Id: 1723353


 A few WD questions.

You will need multiple heat bulbs so they can each have their own light to get under and bask, and for the uv lighting you will probably need a long one to go the entire length of the enclosure and possibly 1 or two more down lower like mid cage...

And 6ft high is good 3ft deep is great 4-5 wide though is about hte size for one... i agree that its good for one possibly two but for three you would want to think about more width.... Im thinking more about 7ft if you can get away with it... As big as you can possibly go.

AND an emergency enclosure just in case. It doesnt have to be as big but something that you can put one in if there is a fighting incedent.

Also you want to be sure if your housing them all together (assuming they get along) that you can devide it if need be. Say 7ft long if two of them get along but the third doesnt then you can put in a wooden devider to give him maybe 3.5 and the other two 3.5 feet.... just temporary so he feels more comfortable....

just a thought



05/02/08  05:01pm

 #1724637


DeNizeTru
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  Message To: Yexalen   In reference to Message Id: 1723389


 A few WD questions.

Well thanks for the help everyone, I’ll keep everyone posted on my current situation :). In the meantime, more discussions!



05/04/08  07:08am


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