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 #1722344


Seiryu
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 Tail question

So I know I have Basilisk, but since the Basilisk forums are dead and we see maybe 1 post every week I figured i’d try here since WDs and Basilisk are similar.

I have 2 basilisk and their tails alternate Green, Black, Green, Black etc in rings. However one of mine sort of has a brownish end that’s about 2.5-3". The other however alternates correctly and the tip of his tail is less than an inch. Which seems to be normal as it alternated that way.

Anyways the ones tail that is 2.5-3" of brownish/black IS bendable and flexable, but I think it might be a bad shed.

Humidity is 60-80%, they have a huge pool to soak (18" by 36"), enclosure size is 6x5x5 feet, Basking is 94-98. Everything is right, except i think his tail just isn’t shedding properly. I give them 1-2 warm baths weekly for 30-45mins each time.

Any tips? I have read a couple drops of Mineral or Olive Oil and rub gently. Would I do this daily , weekly or? I am honestly not sure if it is a bad shed, but don’t want to take any chances. I’d post pictures but sadly my camera is being borrowed by my nephew. Thanks in advance!



05/01/08  04:24pm

 #1722887


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1722344


 Tail question

Since there has been some tail issues here also lately....I read some things about damage and tail dropping. If it is due to poor shedding then yes mineral oil will help and is harmless to the lizard.

If it is due to some sort of trauma then the tail is damged by self infliction or cramped spaces ...maybe just caught on a branch nook / crannie and started a reaction.

Water Dragons and most lizards have the ability to just drop part of their tail as a defensive means of escape. Unlike the gekos and anoles they don’t do well growing back.

When a tail is traumatized in the CWD it can become gangre and infected. I read that if injured it will lose more than just the immediate damaged tissue.

If it becomes a sestemic infection a vet visit is necessary antibiotics will be issued.
Link

Here is a web site we often refer to and at the bottom of the page I linked it gives a brief explanation of tail problems.

I am sure there are others which have very similar results....
I hope it is just a shedding issue.

Good Luck
CP



05/02/08  12:28am

 #1723086


Seiryu
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1722887


 Tail question

Well I doubt he is cramped in a 6x5x5 foot enclosure :P And there are really no areas in there that are tight spaces where they can’t freely walk through.

So if I try the Mineral/Olive Oil rub technique, how often do I do it? Or more the better, like 1-2 times a day?

And lastly how soon should I see results in some of the skin coming off? Thanks for the info!



05/02/08  10:09am

 #1723197


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1723086


 Tail question

Whislt my CWd is in shed I will soak and gently pull his spikes of any loose skin ..if it still does not come off I will wait until the next bath. I have not used any mineral oil and would be guessing as to how often to use. But I don’t mind using a non toxic product on "my lizard" liberally. To me it would be like applying suntan oil.

If the result wasn’t immediate (bath and soak with applied oil ) I would then attempt on the next day again as time permitted. I would even apply it and feel comfortable letting it stay on for a day / overnight to moisturize the area.

As a matter of fact I need to go buy some and apply it to a few stubborn spikes that appear to have not shed completely before it causes a problem...



05/02/08  01:26pm

 #1723206


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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1723197


 Tail question

Well I havn’t yet tried the Mineral Oil but I gave him a bath today and soaked him for 45minutes. Put him back in the enclosure, came back 15minutes later and checked out his tail.

SOME of the skin is starting to come off and I *think* I am noticing a ring around that part of the tail. It looks like a dark/faint red, not even close to blood red. The ring is actually a little further up from where the skin is Brown on the tip of tail. What do you think that could be? Any crickets I feed him are eaten or taken out within 20minutes so they in theory wouldn’t have bit his tail in that amount of time. And right now I am mainly feeding Super/Mealworms that can’t possibly bite his tail (They are in a clear glass bowl).

If it’s infected, is it treatable? It doesn’t look bad to me, but it sort of looks like it may be cutting off the circulation to the end of the tail. What should I use? (Specifics help, I have never had to use any supplements on any of my reptiles). I’ve had bearded dragons and Igaunas in the past and never had any issues with them.



05/02/08  01:41pm

 #1723212


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1723206


 Tail question

My vet and quite a few folks here will recommend neosporin or any triple antibiotic with out asprin or pain reliever. Just staight neosporin.

it is ok to apply and bandage with sterilew gauze.

For a soak and dis infectant betadine (about 10- 12 bucks at any pharmacy) cna be used to treat a topical wound /cut/ infection.
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Dilute with water until a light tea color results and apply to affected area. This washes and cleans ...then apply neosporin and wrap.

What skin is coming off ...good new skin ...or shed?



05/02/08  02:03pm

 #1723218


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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1723212


 Tail question

The skin that is somewhat coming off is at the ring area where it looks like it may be infected and is dead skin (Brownish/black). None of the dry skin (if it’s even a bad shed) is coming off yet at the tip of the tail.

So I should apply Betadine first, than apply Neosporin or just go with Neosporin?



05/02/08  02:12pm

 #1723223


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1723218


 Tail question

Oh and thanks a ton for the help :)



05/02/08  02:15pm

 #1723225


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1723218


 Tail question

If all you have is neosporin for now that will be better than nothing...I would call your local vet and see what they might recommend also ...they often are happy to give advise over the phone and the techs are very informed too. Just try to get a vet that treats exotics. Some animal shelters have good techs too.
What about your local reptile store ....do they have anybody you trust there...mine will actually let me bring my lizard in to them for a look see, if they know what to do they say so ...


I am off to work ....good luck



05/02/08  02:19pm

 #1723234


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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1723225


 Tail question

I will try giving the nearest vet a call. It’s the pet shop I go to and also is a Vet. Hopefully they don’t mind over the phone, but going in would charge about $100.



05/02/08  02:31pm

 #1723361


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1723234


 Tail question

Anyone who has used Mineral/Olive oil on their lizards bad shed. How long would I notice some coming off? The day I did it or a week? (IF it is a bad shed and not just the way his tail is).

I gave him a Luke warm bath for about 20minutes, then I massaged Olive oil (2-3 drops on my fingers into his tail). If you didn’t read the above posts, he also has a now darkish/brown ring that goes around his tail that is sort of indented compared to the rest of the tail. I used a magnifying glass and it seems there are hardly any scales there and it looks smooth. After that ring his tail is sort of bent. After that ring is where the 2-3" of the tip of his tail is dark brown. The tip is still bendable and doesn’t seem dry.

Any help on what this could be is appreciated. It seems to me whatever the ring is, is what’s causing the tail to bend. it doesn’t look infected or bad, but I don’t want it to get to something too serious.



05/02/08  04:43pm

 #1724040


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1723361


 Tail question

No one has any idea what the smooth ring around the tail could be?



05/03/08  12:26pm

 #1724253


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  Message To: Seiryu   In reference to Message Id: 1724040


 Tail question

Suppose I will try the Neosporin. Again if anyone knows what it could be, please let me know.



05/03/08  06:35pm


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