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Cphill58 View Profile |
Let’s all talk UVB
Did anyone experience bad side effects from any type of UVB bulb and which one was it and why do you think it happened. I have tried to comprehend the information that I find and repeatedly link too...and I would like to be corrected if I am wrong. I don’t have years of experience..... But I do read until my head hits the keyboard. So please include any links you might have to offer. I appreciate all your time and effort. And feel free to be long winded or ramble ...after all we are friends ... THANX CP |
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| 05/02/08 01:12am |
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Mama42 View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1722904 Let’s all talk UVB
let me see..what do i know........................... i dont have any links, but can remember some posts about UVBs, different sizes, effects, stuff like that. i have a ZooMed Reptisun. its a size 10.0 - 24" tube. i have it up high on the top of the cage in the middle so he can get it, hopefully from different angles. i put the basking bulb right underneith so he can have the rays as he basks, which is most of the day. so, basically he gets it most of the time. oh..it is, id say about 12 inches from his basking branch. it seems to work for him. though, since there is screen between him and the bulb, he gets only 1/2 of the output. thats why i decided to go for a 10. i figure, from that distance, i should normally only need an 8 or 5 even... since i dont have any more experience, ill just try to remember what i read on other posts or have been told...lol the coil UVB are suppose to be harmful. whether its just the mercury ones, im not sure. it was posted so long ago by, i believe Cherykins, that i cant remember. i know that it causes burns or damage to the eyes. there was a big report and a link she put up about it. i wish i remembered what all it said. Pocochu, or someone else would definitely remember. they probably have more brain cells working than me lol....... i know that the amount of output depends on the size (5, 8, or 10) of the bulb. so, if you have it low in the cage, you should only need a 5. the higher the cage, the higher the size. make sense? im sure you already know it needs replacing after a year at the latest. 6 months is more preferable though. now, i get confused at the type of UVB your supose to get. i know there is a desert UVB for beardies and such. the guy at the pet store told me the 10.0 is for the desert reptile. that is until he looked it up and found out what he didnt know... anywho, i dont know if theres a difference. this one says for chameleons and other reptiles and has a turtle, a beardie and some kind of Lacerta or something on the box. so, actually im not certain i have the right one...lol imagine that!!! haha...but dont let that confuse you because it doesnt say for desert reptiles...plus, that hasnt been a big issue on here where people have asked questions about. anywho..... some people place their bulb at an angle, so their dragon can get the rays from a different position. they say it works better, but i just havnt figured out how to place mine just right. i also have heard of people having more than one UVB in their cage. say one at the top, and one down lower towards the bottom or in the middle by a different basking area. i think they had a pretty good size cage, though. maybe a 6 or 8 foot tall.... mine is only 4 foot, so i only need one. hmm...details lol. no reflectors on mine, i dont think. ill have to check.... it is a white bulb without a gaurd. some come with them. you just remove them i guess. mine didnt come with one. it says it has a 15% output energy of UVA, which is good for reproduction and also for activity and and increases appetite. lol you probably know all this right.... gee thats all i can remember....cant think of anything else.... haha wheres Yex!! shes usually on at this time. hope some of this helped. and i rambled for ya hehehe.....and dont worry...i read and search and research until my head hits the keyboard too. or i hit the floor!! ha....talk later.......  |
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| 05/02/08 03:41am |
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Minya View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1722904 Let’s all talk UVB
here is some info: Powersun UV 100 watt The PowerSun UV™ is a self-ballasted mercury vapor lamp which emits UVA, UVB and heat all in one lamp! Fits into a standard ceramic socket. (No ballast needed.) The 160 Watt projects UVB up to several feet from the lamp’s surface and is ideal for large terrariums or bird aviaries. Features include quality nickel plated threads to prevent against corrosion, and a full one year warranty! The PowerSun UV™ is a high intensity source of UVB, UVA, heat and visible light. Because the PowerSun UV is a self-ballasted bulb it can be used in any ceramic socket that is rated to handle the wattage. The PowerSun UV has nickel-plated threads to ensure that it will not corrode in humid reptile habitats. These lamps project useable UVB radiation greater distances (up to 6 feet) than conventional fluorescent tubes. This makes them ideal for large enclosures and reptiles with high UV demands. The PowerSun UV has all of the benefits of our award winning ReptiSun bulbs with the added benefit of increased intensity, heat and a one year guarantee. The PowerSun UV™ is a self-ballasted mercury vapor bulb with two main components. The first is a standard incandescent filament, which is the first to light. The second is a mercury vapor arc tube, which takes a few minutes to heat up. There will be a noticeable change in hue (or color) when the bulb is completely warm and fully functioning. Because the PowerSun UV is a self-ballasted bulb it can be used in any ceramic socket that is rated to handle the wattage. The PowerSun UV has nickel-plated threads to ensure that it will not corrode in humid reptile habitats. This new bulb also incorporates a short neck design, unique among mercury vapor lamps, that allows it to better fit into "clamp lamp" type fixtures. PowerSun UV projects useable UVB radiation a far greater distance (up to 6 feet) than conventional fluorescent tubes. This makes it ideal for large enclosures and reptiles with high UV demands. PowerSun UV has all of the benefits of our award winning ReptiSun bulbs with the added benefit of increased intensity (50µW/cm2 UVB!!) and heat. UVB radiation has always been the safest, most effective way to ensure proper levels of vitamin D3 in captive reptiles and the PowerSun UV will continue to emit significant levels of UVB for all of its 10,000-hour average life (over 2 years with normal use.) |
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| 05/02/08 09:01am |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: Minya In reference to Message Id: 1723039 Let’s all talk UVB
Secondly... I kinda want to abbreviate some terms for ease of typing ....lol Fluorescent tube = FT Compact fluorescent (curly type)= CFB Mercury vapor bulb ( both heat and uvb) =MVB Metal halide = MH Minya, Very interesting that the power sun will last and produce uvb for it’s 10,000 hour life ...I like that ! I read that somewhere too ... And assumed all mercury vapor bulbs had that quality ....I was wrong my repti sun MVB as I am told by a retailer will only last about 12 months. You made a good choice in the brand you purchased , IMO. I have been on E-bay and found sun seeker MVB for cheap, before I leapt on the deal I messaged the e-tailer and they stopped stocking them.....I was puzzled and did more searching on the quality. I stumbled onto information about the Sun seeker that was tested and the results of UVB output were 0 in the 60 watt bulb, I was very interested in this bulb, and 2 in the 160 watt bulb at the appropriate distance 12 inches ... I have steered away from these bargain bulbs for now, until I find better results. For your reference this link provides much information on bulbs tested, including the good ,bad and the ugly. It is very lengthy and filled with valuable info Link The table of contents on the left and just down slightly takes you to important info about the CFB problems and more. Thx mama for that info on your 10.0 bulb I too have thought more is better, considering that they never reach what the natural sun puts out. Natural sun in the am and late afternoon hours output UVB in the 140 -160 range and at the high noon hour 250. As I have read lizards seek shade / shelter at the highest point of sunshine. Coming out again when it reaches the desired wave length. The FT we buy never approach an output higher than 50 uvb output( if that) and that is why we use them for 10-12 hours. However the MVB can and do reach these optimal ,natural sun, ranges (paraphrasing ) I think those are between 120-180 output ....loosely ..I will re-read to be more accurate. Keep the info coming ..I really want to get this right some day. THX CP |
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| 05/02/08 01:15pm |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1723190 Let’s all talk UVB
THX |
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| 05/02/08 01:40pm |
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Yexalen View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1723205 Let’s all talk UVB
This link doesn’t like repticzone and the link is for bearded dragons but it is all about the uv http://www.beautiful dragons.503xtreme.com/Researchmain.html (remove spaces between beautiful and dragons http://www.anapsid.org/uvtable.html |
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| 05/02/08 04:01pm |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: Yexalen In reference to Message Id: 1723312 Let’s all talk UVB
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| 05/04/08 11:27am |
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Minya View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1723205 Let’s all talk UVB
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| 05/05/08 09:21am |
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4Kitara View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1724763 Let’s all talk UVB
I have since changed to Mercury Vapor Bulbs. My hubby and I built them both new vivs and needed something more for a big viv. I saw the difference in Kitara almost immediately. Especially when she is right under it for a while, she’ll turn a bright green. Kitara’s is a 100 watt T-Rex Active UV Heat. It is in a deep clamp lamp by ZooMed and clamped on the inside of her viv where she can’t reach it at all. It sits 12 inches from her top basking branch which is the closest it can be to her, though she tends to bask on her lower branch which is another 3-4 inches below it. Godzilla’s is a 160 watt T-Rex Active UV Heat MVB also in a deep clamp lamp. Tried to put his in his viv too but learned real quick there is nowhere I can put it that he can’t jump to. He still has an obsession with the tops of fixtures for soime reason. So his is on top of his screen top, about 18 inches above his highest branch, which is the closest that this wattage can be to him.He still seems to look for his old fixture though and I think he’s mad at me for taking it out of his viv. The UVB bulbs they are having problems with are the compact coil bulbs and even the desert linear tubes. I found out about it on another forum and posted it here because there were a couple people on here that were having problems with their cwd’s eyes and didn’t know what was wrong. After removing the bulbs from their vivs and putting the regular tube uvb bulbs in, the cwd’s eyes all got better. Here is a link to the website that has all the info, I read it back then but haven’t updated on it. I have heard however that they have not come out with a safe version of the compact bulbs yet, and I don’t even think they have put anything new out to replace the ones which are defective. It pisses me off everytime I go to the petstore and see these bulbs still being sold. Anyway here is the link Link Hope this helps you undersand it all more, I know it did me (I’m a reader too). |
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| 05/05/08 09:23am |
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Cphill58 View Profile |
Message To: 4Kitara In reference to Message Id: 1725722 Let’s all talk UVB
That’s funny your one lizard insists on being on top of the fixture maybe you can give him the old one as a shelf just under the MVB at the right distance ....lol |
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| 05/05/08 12:52pm |
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4Kitara View Profile |
Message To: Cphill58 In reference to Message Id: 1725843 Let’s all talk UVB
LOL! I actually thought about that. We got the vivs built but haven’t been able to add much as far as branches and shelves yet. We want to build a ramp system for our iggy that goes from the floor to a shelf 2 ft off the floor where we’ll put his food dish and then a ramp that goes from that shelf (which will be on the left side of the viv) to another shelf that is 4 ft off the floor on the right side, which will give him a basking spot 2ft under the MVB. For now he has a big branch that we found and disenfected that has three branches that branch out from it. Kitara has more stuff like a couple of smaller branches, some vines and she still has her perch that leans out over her water area. Still gotta upgrade both of their water area’s too, both just have a small cat pan for now. Wanna get them a bigger one that I can put a drain system, filter, and heater in, and make a waterfall for them, but thats gotta wait a bit. Oh well, at least they both have more room and they both seem alot happier. |
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| 05/05/08 01:51pm |
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Jwsurfergirl View Profile |
Message To: 4Kitara In reference to Message Id: 1725878 Let’s all talk UVB
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| 05/07/08 04:38pm |
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Minya View Profile |
Message To: Jwsurfergirl In reference to Message Id: 1728304 Let’s all talk UVB
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| 05/09/08 11:26am |
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Jwsurfergirl View Profile |
Message To: Minya In reference to Message Id: 1730225 Let’s all talk UVB
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| 05/10/08 11:14am |
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Jwsurfergirl View Profile |
Message To: Jwsurfergirl In reference to Message Id: 1731039 Let’s all talk UVB
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| 05/15/08 09:50pm |
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