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 #2091417


Tempestborn
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 Annie said i could!

those of you who know me know that i can’t feed animals to other animals. i can feed bugs or worms, though i’m pretty sure i’m going to have to give the nightcrawlers to a friend who fishes. they’re way too big, and i don’t think i have the stomach to chop them up (EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWW!!!)--i don’t know if i could even pawn that one off on jim.

so the baby needs meat, and he can’t only have crix and mealies, because of digestibility. so last night we were cooking steak, and i cut some (raw) into teeny tiny strips, and got stewie out. i tapped him softly on the nose and the little mouth opened right up, i popped a tiny piece of meat in and he closed his mouth and reallized it was full of meat and ate it right down. he slowed down after a few bites, so i used the tip of my little finger to poke it a little further in, and he’d try to bite me, again realize his mouth was full of meat, and eat it. i took the slowing down to mean he was full, though. he probably ate, total, a portion of meat maybe the size of a small marble, but i figure he has a teeny tummy.

when he was finished i put him in his pond and moved his basking bulb right over it, and he just laid in there looking content for a long time before he went into his house and went to sleep. his color is a lot better. he was nearly brown when i brought him home, but he’s nice and green now.

so i had to call annie and tell her how adorable he was, in case she hadn’t noticed it in her own water dragons, lol! she says he can have chicken, too--i just need to be consciencious about calcium, since he won’t be eating mice.

i was in SUCH a bad mood when i got home, but i was smiling and happy by the time i finished feeding my new baby!
jesse



11/03/09  09:15am

 #2091692


Clouddancer22
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  Message To: Tempestborn   In reference to Message Id: 2091417


 Annie said i could!

I knew this was gonna happen sooner or later, lol. Well, since the proverbial cat is out of the bag now, I’ll tell. Annie and I found out that you could feed raw meat to dragons. Samonella is not any more problem than with dead (frozen and thawed) rodents.

However, the vet did say not to do this on a regular basis. When eating whole food prey (fish, rodents, etc.) they get the nutrients from the organs, bones, etc.

We just didn’t want to advertise this, b/c we were afraid that all the newbies would start feeding meat to dragons on a regular basis and not do the whole food prey anymore.

Which brings me to my next point. How about frozen/thawed rodents? You can buy them from the pet store already frozen.



11/03/09  09:39pm

 #2091759


Mama42
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  Message To: Clouddancer22   In reference to Message Id: 2091692


 Annie said i could!

yep! little foot LOVES chunks of raw hamburger meat. he will devour several peices the size of a rat pinky if i let him. though, he also likes chicken, though it was cooked, and tuna.

just remember, the bones and cartalidge (sp) in the pinkies gives the calcium. and as Annie pointed out to me once, the raw meat products do not, therefore i would keep up with the calcium on that.



11/04/09  12:00am

 #2091908


Tempestborn
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  Message To: Mama42   In reference to Message Id: 2091759


 Annie said i could!

i considered frozen ones from the pet shop, but at 10.99 for 6 of them, it won’t be a daily thing, for sure. and those i’d have to thaw, put in his dish, and go away. i’m trying to get the "eeew!" factor under control (but jim chopped up the worm for me).

what i’m reading says water dragons don’t actually need to be fed every day, though i am with stewie right now because he’s so bony. i’m also hand-feeding him his meat, because it’s fun--i did have to use hemostats to touch the worm. i managed to feed him chopped-up nightcrawler last night, and i know they’re good calcium. also, presumably they have some sort of organs. i have crickets and mealies, but i know those can’t be real often because of digestibility. and lucky for me, he seems to like veggies, too. i’m using the same vitamin/calcium mixture i use for my iguanas, but i have straight calcium besides. no d3 because they make their own and i know they can od on it. he has a good UVB.

rotten little darling thing! why couldn’t he just be a veggiesaurus like my igs?
jesse



11/04/09  02:02pm

 #2092354


Clouddancer22
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  Message To: Tempestborn   In reference to Message Id: 2091908


 Annie said i could!

Hi Jesse,
Believe me, you will get over the "EWWWW" factor soon, lol! When I first got my ’lil babycakes Charlie over 6 years ago, she was so sickly. I didn’t know much, and I didn’t know to go to the internet to ask. Eventually, I had to move. I had to stay temporarily at a friend’s house, and I left Charlie in another friend’s care. I refused to feed pinkies, ever. But Leslie thought otherwise. By the time I got Charlie back living with me, she was hooked on f/t pinkies.

No, you don’t just leave them in the dish - altho my awd Lola prefers that. You use the tongs and do the "pinky" dance, lol! Just wiggle it and wiggle it and eventually they can’t resist. As far as the price, yes the dragons are expensive to care for. With my crew, I either raise mouse and rat babies, or I buy them in bulk online.

Pinkies should be fed once or twice a week. Adult dragons only are fed every other day or so, or less in the winter. Juvies are fed daily, and babies several times per day. It varies with the dragon and situation of course.

Nightcrawlers are good, and thank goodness I have never had to cut one up!! Gross! Crx and mealies can be fed fairly often, along with any veggies accepted. Fruits need to be a treat due to the sugar content. Waxies are a rare treat, a no-no in my book.



11/05/09  04:52pm

 #2092396


Birdfever69
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  Message To: Clouddancer22   In reference to Message Id: 2092354


 Annie said i could!

heres another eww factor for ya jesse. i was told if you cant get your reptile interested in the frozen/thawed pinkie, to crush the skulls with your finers, or take a tack and poke it into the skull to help release scent. ugh. ill just stick to my roaches thank you very much. lol

yea annie told me the meat thing a couple of months ago. i had completly forgotten about it. im a big raw meat eater (raw hamburger tastes like string cheese, yummi!) and i may try and share some with simon next time. but she likes fast moving food. but we shall see.

glad to hear hes doing better.



11/05/09  06:48pm

 #2092444


Tempestborn
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  Message To: Birdfever69   In reference to Message Id: 2092396


 Annie said i could!

well, i sure appreciate all the help! i thought mealies and crickets were too hard to digest to be fed very often. stewie loves them both. and annie said too much night crawler would give him diarrhea. he really loves those. i found out tonight he DOESN’T like chicken.

i’m kind of treating him like an adolescent because of his size. i do feed him every day. he gets veggies in the morning with the igs. he likes them, too. i read all this about water dragons being stubborn about veggies, but he’s real good. then when i come home from work (about 5:30) i feed him a little bit of meat.

once a week isn’t bad for pinkies--it wouldn’t completely break me. i just got a new job (same department kylie) paying me more money. i start monday, so that’s a great thing. even IF i ever give in and try pinkies, i am NOT squooshing them.

jesse



11/05/09  08:33pm

 #2092474


Birdfever69
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  Message To: Tempestborn   In reference to Message Id: 2092444


 Annie said i could!

o0o0o congrats on the new job jesse!! more money is always better. im still trying for a job. been doing interviews with meijer for a cashier position.

i dont see much wrong with feeding him like you would the younger ones. we feed the younger ones so much so they can gain the weight and grow. but ive been told to feed them when they want to eat and as much as they want to, just dont let them get over weight.

yea i squooshed one once...it was gross. lol



11/05/09  10:30pm

 #2092756


Clouddancer22
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  Message To: Birdfever69   In reference to Message Id: 2092474


 Annie said i could!

I have NEVER "squoooshed" one, lolol, GROSSSSSS! You just use tongs and do the "pinky dance." It might take awhile, and you might have to withhold other foods for a few days. But they will eventually eat it! I always hated when one was rejected. I kept thinking about how much it cost . . .



11/06/09  07:06pm


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