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 #1792111


Hatchet_man_90221
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   Message To: JimmyDavid   In reference to Message Id: 1791680


 30ft. anacondas?

The picture of the man getting eaten is a reticulated python and anacondas do not get 30ft the longest snake in the world are reticulated pythons and the longest recorded was like 26ft anacondas get like 18 maybe 20ft theyre the heaviest snake in the world
07/12/08  02:58am

 #1792113


Hatchet_man_90221
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   Message To: Hatchet_man_90221   In reference to Message Id: 1792111


 30ft. anacondas?

Sorry correction the longest snake recorded was a reticulated python 33 ft
07/12/08  03:02am

 #1792191


JimmyDavid
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   Message To: JimmyDavid   In reference to Message Id: 1792113


 30ft. anacondas?

To be honest, Anacondas have yet to pove they even are the heaviest species... it has been established that way and the "fact" sort of became clichet. But that was due to the fact that for years Guinness gave the title of heaviest snake to some anaconda killed in Brazil that was never weighed, so it was really just based on a guess. There wasn’t even a picture of the snake and we all know how people like to exagerate and come back from the jungle with stories of monster anacondas to impress....

The real facts are that no anaconda was ever a record holder (either in length or weight) in captivity as far as i know. In the old days the longest and heaviest snake was a retic called Colossus, recently it was the famous burmese python called baby and today it’s said to be Prony, a reticulated python.



07/12/08  08:53am

 #1792242


GoodNPlenty
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   Message To: GoodNPlenty   In reference to Message Id: 1792191


 30ft. anacondas?

http://www.sciencenewsblog.com/cgi-bin/snblog.pl?snblog=1204071

Prony’s 200 kilos comes out to be 440.92 pounds in conversion. Looks like their neck and neck at this point!

I’m also fairly sure that the anacondas consideration as the heaviest snake comes from the avg weight of a normal sized adult, but who can say for sure.

~GNP
07/12/08  10:31am

 #1792548


Gaboon
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   Message To: Zach01313   In reference to Message Id: 1791379


 30ft. anacondas?

You ain’t heard nuthin’ yet!

Snake stories are better than fish stories. Just be patient. One of these days a reporter is going to come back from Indonesia and claim he talked to the Chief of the tribe that claimed to have had that 49-foot retic. He’ll say the Chief is now deceased, but when asked why the tribe claimed it had a 49-footer and it turned out to be only a 23-footer, the Chief told him, "We did have the 49-footer, but we thought you wanted its newly hatched son....so that’s what we gave you!"

Mark my words. On second thought, don’t. :)
07/12/08  02:37pm

 #1794481


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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1792548


 30ft. anacondas?

All the big 4 (African rocks, burms, green anacondas, retics) have records more than 25 ft long. And there is no shortage of African rocks that are 20+ feet.

Burms are by far the most kept in captivity, with retics in second. You will certainly see more big burms and retics than you will African rocks and green anacondas. But believe me, the latter two do indeed get big. It isn’t a myth.

Here is a nice challenge for people though. Find a picture of a burm more than 20 ft in the wild. That will help make all this relative to you. It is going to be significantly harder than finding anaconda pics more than 20 ft long.

And I have to comment on the theory of habitat destruction making it easier to find big snakes. Especially with an animal that lives in a huge river system. The snakes are staying in the water...that’s not changing. But there will be less of them and their sizes will not be as large because of the food shortage.

As far as 50 ft snakes...I really doubt that. But 25+ ft anacondas...possibly 30+ ft anacondas....sure, they probably exist in very small numbers. Honestly, 30+ ft anacondas (and other big snakes for that matter) probably did exist, and even in good numbers. But human impact on the environment is pretty much making that a thing of the past. But even with this...big anacondas still exist where there is habitat for them to (and in captivity, but the genetic pool of anacondas in the US...including zoos...is fairly limited, so you might be looking at a selection of anacondas that simply get huge...not gargantuan).
07/14/08  02:54am

 #1794756


JimmyDavid
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   Message To: JimmyDavid   In reference to Message Id: 1794481


 30ft. anacondas?

Don’t forget that documentary crews travel a lot less to Burma than they do to other locations that sound more familiar to our ears, i guess it has a lot to do with economics. A big station will buy a documentary that will be seen by many people, and you can’t beat names like: "WILD AFRICA" or "ADVENTURES IN THE DEEP AMAZON JUNGLE" or even "NATURAL SECRETS OF INDIA"... in those locations you will find afrocks, anacondas and indian pythons (who don’t grow much more than 14 feet). The truth is that most people don’t even know where Burma is and the name doesn’t make them turn on the channel... therefore the shortage of
burm documentation from the wild.
07/14/08  12:15pm

 #1794965


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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1794756


 30ft. anacondas?

Well in that sense lol...there is no Burma. The country has been Myanmar for quite some time...and it doesn’t seem like that has sunk in.

You could also argue that former Burma (Myanmar) has been in an ongoing war that makes the country down right dangerous to be in parts...but it doesn’t stop film if there is a reason to make a buck.

Even with this said, we still have to remember the extensive range of P.m.bivitattus. These snakes do indeed have a large range (outside of former Burma even) and there is not really a lack of study on them (especially with the current demand for information in regard to their potential threat in the everglades).

Just because there isn’t an exciting documentary currently on the area (which I’m not exactly sure there isn’t), this does not mean photos of large wild animals should not (or do not) exist. And to be quite honest, the most impressive animals I have seen with all these snakes are not on prime time television. They are random photos from scientist accounts (not just herpetologists...anthropologist, botanists, ichthyologists, etc.) and local accounts. For the most part, wildlife documentaries are not funded to get extensive footage in the area. They are expensive to do and they can’t afford to stay until they get what they are always looking for. One reason Mark O’Shea lost his contract with Animal Planet. And one huge reason the Planet Earth series was such an impressive production (despite its relative lacking of our favorite animals : )
07/14/08  02:31pm

 #1795117


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   Message To: JimmyDavid   In reference to Message Id: 1794965


 30ft. anacondas?

Though the official name is Union of Myanmar the country is still Worldwide refered to as Burma by most people.
The conflicts that you talk about add to the fact that Burma is not such a smart choice for a documentary.

I don’t know how burms do in the wild, but in captivity they grow faster than afrocks and anacondas. It’s not a "strength in numbers" thing, it’s for real. If you raise 9 anacondas and 1 burm at your home from the start, the odds are that the burm will outgrow all 9 anacondas in the first year alone.



07/14/08  04:29pm

 #1795331


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   Message To: SoLA   In reference to Message Id: 1795117


 30ft. anacondas?

Oh no doubt Jimmy. But we also have a bit of an issue with the metabolisms of each. Anacondas do come from a cooler environment and should have a slower growth rate than most of your other large snakes. Another issue is that most people don’t know the genetic pool their Burmese Pythons come from and they could be keeping in significantly warmer environments than their ancestors have prepared them for. This is without a doubt why many burms in captivity suffer obesity and shortened life spans.

A lot of times we see people who want to have the biggest snake in the world so they plow their snakes full of as much food as they will take...when in fact their python might just not be genetically capable of being a huge snake.

Where the initial stock came from is very overlooked in the captive realm of this hobby.

Plus add to the fact that even in a well balanced ecosystem with food abundance, these snakes are still ambush predators and do not succeed in prey capture anywhere close to the amount they do in captivity. Another reason why people really should be keeping weights on their animals and monitoring and controlling for over feeding.



07/14/08  06:59pm

 #1795429


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   Message To: JimmyDavid   In reference to Message Id: 1795331


 30ft. anacondas?

I agree. Another thing is the low exercise burms get in captivity. When they get too big it’s not confortable to take them outside that often so people just think it’s not important. So they end up living most of their lives inside a cage, build up too much fat and develop weak hearts and liver. While in the wild i am sure they need to move around much more, in search of prey and looking for places to hide. They end up being more healthy, just not so bulky.
07/14/08  08:46pm

 #1805601


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   Message To: Drepop   In reference to Message Id: 1778205


 30ft. anacondas?

Ok I am usually on the python forum but decided to take a look around and I was noticing the discussion about if a snake could eat a human. not long ago i watched this clip and thought i would share it with you all. I cant be sure its an anaconda it says it is but you know how that goes. After you watch it please tell me if it’s an anaconda or not . If not what is that monster.I do beleive after this that a snake could ea a human no problem we would be a simple snack.
Enjoy it wont let me post the youtube link thinks im spamming just go to youtube and the bottom or go to anaconda vs hippo.....pretty grusome if u ask me
/watch?v=DvYpK6dYIoI
07/22/08  08:49pm

 #1806130


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   Message To: Drepop   In reference to Message Id: 1778205


 30ft. anacondas?

humm I dont know what happened but I posted this yesterday and by today it is gone? I cant be sure exactly just how long this conda is but man makes me think twice about wanting one, I am keeping in mind this is a wild snake but wow!! It wont let me post the link as itt hinks i am trying to spam but if you go to youtube and type in anaconda vs hippo it will blow your mind it sure did mine!!
07/23/08  12:52pm

 #1811405


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   Message To: GoodNPlenty   In reference to Message Id: 1806130


 30ft. anacondas?

I know the video in question and while I am having trouble loading it now to vlook at the snake, the video is actually of the snake throwing up a tapir, which (even though I can’t see the snake now) heavily inclines me to say anaconda simply due to the geographic range of both animals.
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~GNP
07/28/08  10:47am

 #1812134


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   Message To: Gatorhunter   In reference to Message Id: 1811405


 30ft. anacondas?

GNP: I have seen the video also and it is a tapir like you assume. If you guys watch the video closely you can tell it is a bloated tapir, but that is still a big snake.
07/28/08  09:56pm

 #1863794


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   Message To: Asira   In reference to Message Id: 1778243


 30ft. anacondas?

not to be rude this is NOT an anaconda this is a reticulated python!!!! and they do grow large enough to eat a small human just goggle it they have captured a 49.5 ft specimen. they wont get that big in captivity but i am prepared to try.LOL
09/19/08  10:42pm

 #1865712


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   Message To: Drepop   In reference to Message Id: 1863794


 30ft. anacondas?

Quote:

not to be rude this is NOT an anaconda this is a reticulated python!!!! and they do grow large enough to eat a small human just goggle it they have captured a 49.5 ft specimen. they wont get that big in captivity but i am prepared to try.LOL



if you’re talking about the hippo and anaconda thats definately an anaconda. the 49.5ft. retic is actually around 23ft. the people just overreacted.
09/22/08  12:40pm

 #1866026


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   Message To: Amphibiandude   In reference to Message Id: 1865712


 30ft. anacondas?

i dont mean to but in but the chicago zoo apearantly has a 29 footer
09/22/08  07:59pm

 #1868481


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   Message To: Afrockguy   In reference to Message Id: 1866026


 30ft. anacondas?

jimmy is right ive seen retics about 20 t0 29 feet and green anacondas about the same size weighing tha same as a matter of fact i have yet t see a green anaconda surpass a retic in captivity yet i see more larger retics then green anacondas tha largest retic i handle belong to one of my friends in maimi his female is about 26 feet and weighs about 300 pds. me and my friend had a hard time taken her out of her cage lol



09/25/08  11:14pm

 #1885860


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   Message To: Asira   In reference to Message Id: 1778243


 30ft. anacondas?

that is a python.
that picture was at a reptile park type thing that I went to while I was in africa.
I took pictures of it.lol
10/22/08  09:45pm
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