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 #1792401


Newfgal
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  Message To: Rallaster   In reference to Message Id: 1792315


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Hey CP, that was a great video, thanks for posting...

Nancy.



07/12/08  12:53pm

 #1793603


Rick Ross
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1792307


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hey cp is that all u use Mega Ray



07/13/08  01:41pm

 #1793637


Rick Ross
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  Message To: Rallaster   In reference to Message Id: 1792315


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intersting i found out that Mega Ray, T-Rex UV heat are made by the same company but i will stick with the mega ray



07/13/08  02:09pm

 #1793779


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1793637


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Rick ...so far I have used a T-rex uv heat ....when that went out ...I got the Mega Ray ...if you need to know why ....please read the first part of this post ....I shopped and studied for a few months...

If you have evidence that these 2 bulbs are made by the same company ...the why don’t you provide it .

I am willing to examine any claim you make ...but so far you have not provided anything to back that statement up ....IMO I beleiive you are incorrect ....but it wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong....

CP



07/13/08  04:08pm

 #1793864


Rick Ross
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  Message To: Rick Ross   In reference to Message Id: 1793779


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i just ordered 3 of the megaray 100 hope my dragons like them lol



07/13/08  05:22pm

 #1794032


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1793864


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I am really excited for you ....I am sure you will be happy with them ....

CP



07/13/08  08:02pm

 #1794037


Rick Ross
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  Message To: Rick Ross   In reference to Message Id: 1794032


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OK, a few things brought to you by http://www.reptileuv.com.

-You CANNOT dim MV lamps. They simply will not work.

-T-Rex and Mega-Ray SB lamps are indeed manufactured by the same company. The Trex SB is a copy of the Mega-Ray SB. Both are excellent lamps.

-Neither the Trex or the Mega-Ray SB lamp will project significant UVB to 6-feet.

-Mega-Ray SB Zoo will project up to 6-ft, but you need to be "approved" to order it. You also need to own a UVB Meter.

-There are no Mercury Vapor Self-Ballasted lamps lower than 100-watts. The technology is just not there yet. The starting wattage for SB MV lamps is 100-watts.

-Follow the link that Frozenlava provided and read all about UVB lighting for reptiles. It is the most accurate, up to date info you can get on the net.
;-) Read the MV lamp study and see how Powersun compared to the rest.

Frozenlava- Welcome to the Herp Center Network. Glad to have you here.

Dudeamis- Welcome to HCN. You can always call or write to ReptileUV with your set-up specs and they will help you decide which lamp is right for your particular needs (try THAT with Trex, LOL) Go to www.reptiluv.com, look on the Contacts page and either e-mail or call Bob Mac. He’s always glad to help!



07/13/08  08:07pm

 #1795414


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1794037


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Rick , you are confusing me ...and you continue to say that Mega Ray & T-rex are made by the same company, yet you provide no documentation ...a link so I can go see it ...your making me nuts ...

Go to the page that you find the info on ...copy the address in the address bar ...click the LINK tab here paste then END LINK tab

It is easy to create links once you get the hang of it.

What was I or anyone supposed to have gained by your information ..... I fail to see your point ....


Indeed Mega Ray tested the T-rex UV Heat and determined it to be lacking in quality, T-REX has a faster burn in ...decay rate! I posted the link for all to enjoy and I will submit another link just for those of you who missed it ....

If you still contend that Mega- Ray and T-Rex are one in the same ...You have been mislead. Why would Mega Ray test their own bulb to their own bulb ,....DOOOH

Here are the links...

Link


Link

NOTE THE DAECAY RATE OF THE T-REX UV HEAT...vs THE MEGA RAY....

about 1/2 way through the article



Thanks Rick ...if you managed to confuse me ....I can’t imagine what other folks are getting from your post...

CP



07/14/08  08:38pm

 #1796017


Newfgal
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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1795414


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I agree CP, the only thing i noticed about that post was the grammer and spelling was good...so i knew it wasn’t his!!!...LMAO...sorry Rick!



07/15/08  09:34am

 #1796230


Rick Ross
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  Message To: Rick Ross   In reference to Message Id: 1796017


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u know what who gives a sh.. i ordered the mega ray and who cares if there made by the same company or not, i want all my dragons to have the best thats all



07/15/08  01:07pm

 #1796268


Newfgal
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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1796230


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Hey, thats great news!! Im sure your dragons will love them...

Nancy.



07/15/08  01:32pm

 #1796304


Rick Ross
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  Message To: Rick Ross   In reference to Message Id: 1796268


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hey nance my next goal is to build my own cages like u got lol



07/15/08  02:02pm

 #1796743


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1796304


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Rick ....I am not tying to argue with you or put you down ...As a matter of fact I deleted a bunch of angry stuff from my last post ...because I knew it would seal the vault ...

And I am trying to better myself by being open minded and giving you a chance to step - up and have a serious say in these matters.

So instead of saying derogatory crap ...I said you confused me and asked for an explanation.

Listen , my goal is really to get as much info as possible ....good bad or otherwise ....just lead me in the direction so I can go read it myself ...I am registered with the Herp Center ..I suppose I could go hunt for hours ...to find that thread.... Then on the other hand you can copy and paste the link ...viola.....too easy.

I am just frustrated that the pirate has hidden the treasure and says he has a map but won’t reveal it .....LOL....get what I mean ...we are on the same ship me buckoo.....

Cp



07/15/08  07:08pm

 #1804525


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1796743


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OK , then .....I recently subscribed to a UVB Forum / group and get to follow all the news ...As it comes in my e-mail ...Now I saw something that sparked my interest and I thought I would post it ...thereby up dating this thread at the same time...I will quote the conversation ...

I bet you may even know some of the names......


Quote:

> On 7/20/08 7:40 AM, "drache613" wrote:
>
> >
> > I had a quick question. I recently had a friend on the forum who
has
> > been using the Zoomed Powersun on all of her dragons, with no
> > problems at all.
> > Well, recently, one of her dragons began acting strangely. She
> > attributed it to something else, started doing supportive care,
etc.
> > The vet could not find anything wrong with him.
> > She had noticed some black specks floating around in the light,
but
> > did not think anything of it.
> > However, over the course of a couple of weeks, he got worse & then
> > passed away. She took him back to the vet & he diagnosed him with
> > radiation poisoning. Can you believe that? Now I personally
cannot
> > confirm it was emitting UVC, but based on what the vet said this
is
> > what it sounds like happened.
> > Can a bulb all of the sudden burst & go bad that quickly?
> > Has anyone heard of this before from these lights? This is the
first
> > time that I ever had but thought I would ask people here.
Perhaps it
> > was just a fluke or a bad bulb? She is going to be contacting the
> > company to talk to them.
> > If anyone has any feedback that would be great.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tracie



And The feed back::



Quote:

Hi, Tracie.

No need to panic about this... I don’t like to criticize a colleague,
but there are times when there seems no alternative. The dragon
surely could not have died from "radiation poisoning" ... for several
very good reasons.

ZooMed Powersuns, like all properly made mercury vapor lamps,
cannot "burst and go bad" nor can they leak UVC.
The arc tube in which the mercury vapour is sealed will only operate
as long as it is intact. If it cracked or broke, the arc won’t light
and there is no UVC, ...LOL, there is no light at all, it is a dead
lamp.

On the other hand, if the arc tube was undamaged and was working
fine, but the outer glass - the "bulb" - cracked or broke, the
filament part of the bulb would immediately pop and this breaks the
circuit, of course, and the arc tube goes out and there is no UVC, no
light at all, ...again it is a dead lamp.

(If it was an EB lamp, by the way, you might think the arc tube could
go on burning... but it can’t, because these have little "filaments"
called burn fuses, they don’t ballast the lamp, but they pop
immediately, in the same way, if there is a crack and air gets into
the lamp...)

What if the coating on the inside of the lamp was imperfect? Kerry
has suggested it might have "come loose", but it is a spray coating
so that isn’t very likely... and in addition, I might be wrong on
this one, but I don’t think it is a phosphor coating, like that found
on fluorescent tubes, which absorbs UVC and turns it into visible
light; certainly there is no obvious "phosphor" signature in the
spectrum, which looks like 100% mercury vapour light.
I think the coating is merely a diffuser, like a fine paint spray,
turning a spot-type lamp into a flood, and reducing the UVB in the
process.
What is preventing UVC from being emitted, then, is the nature of the
glass itself... the typical glass used for mercury vapour lamps is of
a type that blocks all UVC and blocks a little of the UVB, too, in
fact. So I don’t think this lamp would be capable of emitting UVC,
even if there was no white coating at all.

ZooMed Powersuns don’t emit a great deal of UVB, either, in fact...
the manufacturers themselves say the lamps emit the equivalent
of "the noonday sun in the shade" (quote from leaflet). You aren’t
going to get "radiation poisoning" from that.

I reckon the black specks are little bits of metal which have
spluttered off the tungsten filament. I’ve got quite a few of these
in my oldest lamps on test, including a 3-year-old MegaRay SB.
Eventually the filament loses so much tungsten that it is too thin
and breaks, and that’s the way it dies of old age.....

....so...

this Powersun, how old was it? Could this dragon have developed MBD
and died from a lack of radiation, rather than the opposite?

What were the symptoms of this poor dragon’s "radiation poisoning"?
Photo-kerato-conjunctivitis - eyes closed, eyelids swelling, and a
miserable dragon hiding in a corner - would be the first thing I
think I’d expect to see in a beardie, if a lamp was emitting anything
nasty. Skin "burns" and blisters might follow...

I’m so sorry he died, but I really think it was unlikely to be UVC
from the lamp.
If she is convinced there was a problem with it, she needs to have it
tested - a quick look with a UVB and a UVC meter should be all she
needs to have done.
I’m sorry for her loss.

All the best,

Frances



And from the owner of Mega Ray ....who is in this forum / group !!

Quote:

Posted by: "" bmaccargar
Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:12 am (PDT)
What Frances said here is on the spot 100%. There is no way that the animal
died from radiation poisoning from the PowerSun but lack of UVB is much more
likely if it was indeed a UV related incident at all but still not likely
unless the dragon was gravid. Now if they were using the ZooMed compact
fluorescent that would be a different story.

We are always sorry to hear about anyone loosing there dear pets. Hopefully
a necropsy was done to help understand what happened.

Best Regards,
BobMacCargar



Sign up here to read all about UVB and questions pertaining to it.

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Chris



07/21/08  09:21pm

 #1804810


Newfgal
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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1804525


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That is great info CP, thanks, i will def sign up for that..

Nancy



07/22/08  07:07am

 #1823599


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1804810


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Bump ......just so I can still link it to others ....

Cp



08/08/08  12:39am

 #1824562


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  Message To: Ordinaryworld_   In reference to Message Id: 1823599


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Awesome infos! I have a couple quick questions. I have a 44g Vision cage.. much like this one just a little less fancy (no lamp depression)



It measures 36x18x18 While my baby is still in his 20g long I am going to modify it to have some more ventilation on the top for two reasons. 1 to allow the MVB to project into the enclosure and 2 for more air ventilation to allow a cool side to be created.

The other question I have is... I was thinking of making a shaded area with a sort of tall wall on the cool side as to shield from the MVB rays/heat since some people on here said that they found their cool sides a little warm some days. Has anyone tried this and succeeded?



08/08/08  10:42pm

 #1824884


Cphill58
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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1824562


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This paticular MVB and the heat emitted is way to much for your set-up IMO.

It requires a minimum of 12" clearance from the animal and I will state again the temps are 98-104 depending on what the subdstrate or basking surfaces is ...wood or stone? Air temps depending on ventilation can soar.

CP



08/09/08  11:19am

 #1833852


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  Message To: Cphill58   In reference to Message Id: 1824884


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08/17/08  01:04pm

 #1835148


Mike/eddie
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  Message To: Mike/eddie   In reference to Message Id: 1833852


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ok i have studied a lot of the same stuff as you cphill58. you seem to know quite a bit more though. so i have a regular 40 gallon breeder(36L* 18W * 16H, all glass with a screen top. do you think if i got the megaray 100 watt sb with a deep dome fixture that would work for my cage (not too hot)? and would the deep dome keep it far enough away from the screen to keep the screen from burning?

mike



08/18/08  03:40pm

 #1835252


Newfgal
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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1835148


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Yes, it will work for a 40 breeder, you could get one of those lamp stands to raise the MVB higher, at least 12"...

Quote:

and would the deep dome keep it far enough away from the screen to keep the screen from burning?



You do know that screen and glass will block some uvb rays right? What you could do is cut a hole in the screen the same size as the dome...if the screen is mesh, it will burn though, those lights get very hot...

I’m sure CP will have some tips for you as well...

Nancy.



08/18/08  05:03pm

 #1835633


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  Message To: Mike/eddie   In reference to Message Id: 1835252


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crap i need to find out how i am gona light his cage cause he has been without a uv for a couple weeks now.( i have been taking him outside dont worry)

the only problem with the light stand is that it slides under the bottom of the cage but my cage is actualy bigger than the stand lol so i dont think that would work(i might just buy a new stand cause i need one anyway and then i wouldnt have a problem). i guess i could cut the screen but i dont realy wana do that.

im just looking for the cheapest/best solutuion cause its already like 50$ just for the light.



08/18/08  09:57pm

 #1835639


Mike/eddie
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  Message To: Mike/eddie   In reference to Message Id: 1835633


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are you sure it will still burn the screen even with a deep dome cause i thought they made those just so that you could set mvb on the screen.



08/18/08  10:04pm

 #1835884


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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1835639


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Yep, i am positive it will burn b/c i have fanfoot gecko’s in a 20 gallon with a mesh screen topper, and a 75 whatt heat bulb started to burn through it, glad i caught it befor it did, lol...steel screen would be ok, but like i said, screen will filter out some uvb rays from getting through...

Nancy.



08/19/08  07:13am

 #1835905


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  Message To: Rallaster   In reference to Message Id: 1835884


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Mike/eddie: I had a 250W standard incandescent light in a medium depth dome, sitting on what was basically 16Ga. chicken wire, and the wire warped from the heat, but didn’t come close to melting it. I don’t see any reason that you couldn’t use the same type of screen for a MVB in a deep dome.

What I used for the top of my BD cage is similar to this but not exactly. It will def. do the job that you want it to do though, as I don’t think that a 100W MVB will be able to burn through it.



08/19/08  08:31am

 #1835907


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  Message To: Rallaster   In reference to Message Id: 1835905


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Sorry for the double post, but I forgot to mention that since it is more of a fence than a mesh screen like what you would find on an aquarium, I don’t think that you would have to worry about UV loss.



08/19/08  08:38am

 #1836212


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  Message To: Shamere07   In reference to Message Id: 1835907


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hey nance posting this for you i know that you said you would like mega but dnot think they would ship well here is a link for youmegaraycandianstyle hope this helps all you candians that need mvb



08/19/08  03:28pm

 #1836253


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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1836212


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Wow! Thanks Sham, i will look into that, i just bought all new backup MVB’s though, but i will be ordering those for next time, thanks bud!!

Nancy.



08/19/08  04:19pm

 #1836728


Mike/eddie
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  Message To: Mike/eddie   In reference to Message Id: 1836253


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ok i think what i am gona buy is the megaray sb100, the infared thermometer and a lamp stand to keep it off the screen. this will run me about 100$ if anyone has a better solution let me know.

one question the infared temp gun(the megaray one) does that just measure the surface temp and no ambient air temp? and do you need to know both or if you know one of those temps are right the other shouldnt be off? (does that make sense lol)

oh jk one more i have a 150watt rated ceramic fixture will that be good enough? i dont wana buy anymore crap...



08/19/08  10:31pm

 #1836762


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  Message To: Newfgal   In reference to Message Id: 1836728


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That sounds like a great idea, but like i have said, screen will filter out some uvb rays...I have a infrared temp gun as well, but it’s not a megaray one, and it will measure temps all over the enclosure, and as long as you know the temps of the basking area, it’s all good, lol, unless you are going to use loose substrate, then it would be a good idea to know what the surface temps are as well...not sure if that made sence, lol...and yes the ceramic fixture will be fine...good luck!

Nancy.



08/19/08  11:03pm
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