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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: ReptiGal94 In reference to Message Id: 2026876 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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| 06/22/09 07:37am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2026874 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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| 06/22/09 07:40am |
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Tenten~ View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2026874 Another Goofy Hiding Place
~Adeline~ |
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| 06/22/09 07:41am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2026879 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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| 06/22/09 07:44am |
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Jonas77 View Profile |
Message To: ReptiGal94 In reference to Message Id: 2026876 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: You do know how many words in the english language alone start with the letter i, right?
No, how many? I made a serious mistake here, assuming you would have normal deduction skills considering the subject of namecalling. |
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| 06/22/09 07:47am |
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Jonas77 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2026871 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: i’m not going to read through your last post,,better things to do to be honest,however,heres where i shoot you apart.
If you dont have the courtesy to read it, dont comment it. |
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| 06/22/09 07:48am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2026842 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: I have a few beers sometimes, I know its bad for the body in the long run, but still do it. My point is the same as with alcohol; its bad for you but in smaller doses it wont kill you. Just know it doesnt make it harmless.
Actually,,i have read some studies saying a beer or 2 a day,is *gasp* good for ones health,especially the health,,hold on,,i will find a link,,since i give proof to my words |
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| 06/22/09 07:50am |
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Jonas77 View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2026878 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: since your a fact man,,,heres a weather report on a random country in columbia,,notice the temps,,,,yeah,,kind amatch most houses dont they?
Im sorry, I dont get it. Those ARE youre house perimeters? If not, then I dont see your point. |
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| 06/22/09 07:50am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2026888 Another Goofy Hiding Place
http://www.allaboutbeer.com/features/233beer&health.html |
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| 06/22/09 07:52am |
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Tenten~ View Profile |
Message To: Tenten~ In reference to Message Id: 2026885 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: If you dont have the courtesy to read it, dont comment it.
I’m sure he got the gist of it seeing how most of your posts have been exactly the same. The only difference is your last one was longer. ~Adeline~ |
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| 06/22/09 07:54am |
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Jonas77 View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2026879 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: i showed you FACTS hard PROOF of my point on climate and temps
What proofs? What are you proving do you men? Quote: now show me some hard proof directly on the subject at hand,snakes.
I have given you lots of proofs and reasoning, maybe you should read it all again. Do you honostly try to counter my cridentials and scientific facts with a link to a weatherstation? Should I forget about my university education, the many articles published in science papers because of this? My education in animal physiology is just wrong then I guess. Better get my facts traight and start checking weather stations on the internet. |
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| 06/22/09 07:59am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2026894 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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| 06/22/09 08:02am |
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Jonas77 View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2026890 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: well,,the point being made,is most houses,through the use of central heat and air conditioning,are kept in the 70’s to 60’s,i guess i should of explained further for the highly educated
I see, I guess all my reasoning is busted because your house have about the same temps... I truelly hope this is a joke. Snakes live on temperature alone then I guess. Do you have 93% humidity in your house as well? I dont care about your beer link, this is the problem in your reasoning: You dont get any more right just because you try to prove someone else wrong. Im pretty sure you got the point I made, I could shange beer to something else for you to try to stick a hole in. What Im talking about is dosage. Just because a dose of something isnt eathal, it doesnt mean it is safe or harmless in smaler doses. |
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| 06/22/09 08:06am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2026896 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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| 06/22/09 08:08am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2026898 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: dont care about your beer link, this is the problem in your reasoning: You dont get any more right just because you try to prove someone else wrong. Im pretty sure you got the point I made, I could shange beer to something else for you to try to stick a hole in.
What Im talking about is dosage. Just because a dose of something isnt eathal, it doesnt mean it is safe or harmless in smaler doses. are you stoned?,seriously,NO care sheet,and NO aniaml expert says to keep a boa in 90% humidity,NONE and THAT ARTICLE ON BEER SAYS BEER IS GOOD FOR YOU IN SMALL DOESES..THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06/22/09 08:11am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2026900 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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| 06/22/09 08:19am |
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ReptiGal94 View Profile |
Message To: ReptiGal94 In reference to Message Id: 2026890 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: No, how many?
A little over 13 million, but unfortunately, that’s just an estimate. Guess that won’t work for you then, will it? Quote: Now I see that you have found ONE of my pictures.
But I do believe this is wrong. You see, when you put an image on the net, anyone can find it. Quote: Aren’t your tanks perfect? Then why wouldn’t you just leave the eggs (which ARE reptiles too believe it or not) in the terrarium and let nature take its course?
As she said, if your tanks are in perfect condition, there should be no reason to remove the eggs from the terrarium in the first place.
Second, Quote: One of the most common mistakes when handling the eggs comes in the moments when they are moved from the laying site to the incubation site.
I do believe that was handling those eggs in that picture. And yes, I have a link if you’d like to read more. http://double-d-reptiles.tri pod.com/eggs.html (take out the space between tri and pod) Quote: If you think this makes me a hypocrite, then youre funny.
There are a couple of problems with your logic here, not to mention the huge difference between taking a snake out for fun and transferring a hatchling from its egg-box to its terrarium. And yes, I do believe you are a hypocrite.
Even with my limited knowledge in Chameleons, I’m pretty sure that’s NOT a hatchling. Quote: Reptiles should be kept inside their terrariums, there is no good arguments for having them outside. Its not just a cage, its a life supporting system, just like an aquarium is to fish. The terrarium is there to give the animal the right temperature, the right humidity and the right environment to be able to climb and hide etc.
Again, you’ve made it easy for me by proving yourself wrong yet again.
Now, if I’m correct, those don’t LOOK like cham cages, unless you have them free roaming in which case, not only are you proving yourself wrong but you’re a danger to your lizards. Otherwise, those chameleons ARE out of their cages, being exposed to "the WRONG temperature, the WRONG humidity, and the WRONG environment to be able to climb and hide ect." As before mentioned, you still haven’t mentioned any facts on how it is harmful for SNAKES. Just lizards and frogs. When you actually get proof to back up the SUBJECT AT HAND, then I’ll argue with you. But for now, I’m done here. Guess experience DOESN’T pay off, does it? JoAnne |
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| 06/22/09 08:40am |
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Jonas77 View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2026900 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: are you stoned?,seriously,NO care sheet,and NO aniaml expert says to keep a boa in 90% humidity,NONE
You must be joking, right. Now you are using your own "facts" against me? It is YOUR weather station that said "Humidity:93%", now thats wrong too? This is called "cerry picking" in diskussions, where you pick things that suit you and leave out things that are bad for your argument. I see a lot of this here, and now Im sick of it. What happened witt ALL the things Ive answered to? All of a sudden those things are left out in your "arguing" and you focus on silly things like my beer exampl (that I have revised). Answer my questions that I asked earlier: Quote: Look, I base my knowledge on science, my biology education and my 20 years in herpetology, thats what make me believe in what Im saying. What makes you believe in what you are saying? I guess you "just know" things...
Can you see my point here? What you are saying does not correspond to what Ive learned sudying to be a biologist, and it contradicts the scientific papers Ive read and my over all experience of herpetology during all this time. What is it that what I am saying do not correspond with for you? What makes you thing that I am wrong, what do you base it on? Fairly simple questions. Quote: How do you know what they love? This is a serious question, one of my only real questions here. I see lots of people say they know what their snakes love, Im asking you to tell me how you know this. What are the signs and how do you read them?
Im looking forward to this one, since I have studied animal ecology/ethology. |
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| 06/22/09 08:53am |
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Melissa` View Profile |
Message To: Melissa` In reference to Message Id: 2026917 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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| 06/22/09 03:56pm |
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Wyland2222 View Profile |
Message To: Wyland2222 In reference to Message Id: 2027096 Another Goofy Hiding Place
I grow tired of you, you quoted a lot of what I said, but did not actually reply to it, for the most part all you have done here is blow your own horn, argue with people, try to say you are right, while the proof is in the pudding, pictures of your chameleon, pics of you holding your animal, that is all that I care about, you proved yourself wrong in your thought process, do as I say not as I do? The dog and the antifreeze for instance, I told you why they drink it, you can not or did not dispute that, so being the responsible pet owner I am, I make very sure that there is never any antifreeze around my place that any dog can get into. As to the fish comment, I can’t help but wonder, how did you get off of snakes, to fish, frogs, dogs, beer etc, yes I read every word you said, but I still fail to see how you are always right and all of us are always wrong. I really don’t care what you studied in school, or what credentials you claim to have. You asked me how I know my snakes like being held, you ask me to tell you the signs, ok, my snakes, when I pass by their tubs, if they want out, want food, they come to me, the inside of that same tub, I know they want something, I learned their body language, yes they have body language, I just know my snakes.........I don’t know anyone else’s, just mine. You disputed the articles I quoted, you asked us to find ones for you, I did, but still you dispute them! Why do you even bother with this whole thread? You must know by now that we are very passionate in our beliefs, just as much as you are, and we are never going to change each others minds, so why bother this attach on how we care for our SNAKES, which is what this whole thing started over.......you say, keep them in their homes, never touch them except to move them, their air inside is perfect for them, as 1 pointed out to you the air inside their homes is the same air as outside, unless of course you have your vacuum sealed! There is no way the air inside is not coming from outside of that enclosure. All creatures are different, they all have personalities.......you just refuse to even consider that we may just know our animals and their likes and dislikes. You must be right and we must be wrong, so my part of this conversation is over. I do not like people who push their so called views and ideas off on another without even considering the other person. This is the type of person you are.......you came here for a fight, you got one, you should be happy now..........can we not agree to disagree and end this whole boring topic............you do your thing, we shall continue to do ours. Done deal. |
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| 06/22/09 07:34pm |
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ThatGreenAnoleGuy View Profile |
Message To: ThatGreenAnoleGuy In reference to Message Id: 2027205 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Anyhow, my two cents is that handling large constrictors is much more beneficial than not to the animal. Simply because it gets them accustomed to handling if only just to have one less stress factor when handling is absolutely necessary (vet check, cage sanitation, you know). I don’t think that an hour or two in a slightly "off" environment is enough to make an effect on the snakes body functions or internal levels (other than temps which have been thoroughly discussed already, and are quickly restored once they are put back in the enclosure). Have a nice day, ~Gus |
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| 06/23/09 12:26am |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2027330 Another Goofy Hiding Place
and as far as the mounts,i am a hunter,,kind of,with no place to hunt,but i believe hunting is not only great for us as people,but i believe its needed for population control and conservation.,and animal rights,if the animal taste good,it has the right be on my plate |
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| 06/23/09 03:10am |
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Sh0e View Profile |
Message To: Sh0e In reference to Message Id: 2027359 Another Goofy Hiding Place
First off, I’m more of a frog person, and I want to go on record that Jonas is absolutely right when it comes to all frogs, most chams, and many lizards and geckos. Quite a few of these animals not only stress easily, but contact with the salts and oils on our skins can be down right dangerous. The issues of snakes however I would have to disagree. One of the first snake books I read had a story about a lady with a five or six meter retic python. She carried it around in her pocket when it was little. When the author of the book visited her and her adult snake he touched it’s tail and it started to shake. Then the lady touched it and the snake immediately calmed down. The author did think that there were better ways to keep a python, but his point was that the snake on some level could differentiate between people. While I was still living in Kansas, I got a call from a college kid living in a rented house. He was pretty frantic because there was a huge snake in his basement. He was deathly afraid of snakes apparently. When I arrived he was armed to the tooth, shotguns, hunting rifles, 9mm pistol. The snake wasn’t huge, it was a female 2 meters long common red tail boa. The thing was thin, but not gaunt. I pulled it out from the wires of a deep freezer. The kid had been living there for a few years. He was already paranoid because ever since he had moved in he’d occasionally find snake skins in the basement. And they got progressively longer and longer over a 2 year period. I don’t know how that snake survived down there, it was cool and dry, and I can’t imagine what it did during the winter. Probably, curled up next to some electronics to keep warm. I rehabbed the animal and 3 months later you would have never guessed the ordeal it went through. I’m not saying this so that people think it’s okay to not meet their animal’s care requirements. This is an extreme example, but in my mind taking your snake out for 30 minutes a day or so isn’t gonna wreck anything. Sorry to intrude. |
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| 06/23/09 03:48am |
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ThatGreenAnoleGuy View Profile |
Message To: ThatGreenAnoleGuy In reference to Message Id: 2027364 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: and animal rights,if the animal taste good,it has the right be on my plate 
For now I will step back and watch. Good luck, ~Gus |
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| 06/23/09 10:24am |
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JH123 View Profile |
Message To: Jonas77 In reference to Message Id: 2025138 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Most of us agree that their is a benefit to handling a snake along with ALL reptiles you keep. One, it tames them. Yes they are wild, but they are tame. There is a HUGE difference between tame and domesticated, and I think you are confusing the two. You do not want a snake that is not used to handling for various reasons. The most important reason is that you want that snake to not bite you or worse. I have read countless horror stories of people like you being killed by their untamed reptile. It does no harm what so ever to the snake or reptile to handle it, in most cases. Yes there are a few "display only" out there. Boa’s are not one of them. The last thing you want in your house is an untame 10ft snake looking for a meal. |
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| 06/23/09 02:18pm |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2027457 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: It’s good to know of a fellow sportsman.
Quote: and animal rights,if the animal taste good,it has the right be on my plate For now I will step back and watch. Good luck, ~Gus ahh brother,,the first time my ex called me i was skinnin hog i just broguht home,her dad hates all her boyfriends,first time i met we sat on the porch drinkin beer and trading hog recipes,,something bout the outdoors brings people together but i am also half nuts,one of my dreams is to get a gator permit,which your allowed tot ake down 2,i want one with a shot gun,and one with just a knife,my ancestors did it,so i wanna go back to them days and give er a go.:),but i believe most people,even most animal right activasts know that us hunters,are just following the steps of thier ancestors,,i mean after all,,i recently read how many animals get put down every year at PETA’s headquarters,,,kinda disturbing to be honest |
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| 06/25/09 03:46am |
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ThatGreenAnoleGuy View Profile |
Message To: ThatGreenAnoleGuy In reference to Message Id: 2028402 Another Goofy Hiding Place
Quote: but i am also half nuts
Aren’t we all at least half nuts?
There are very few exceptions to "I eat what I hunt". There are no exceptions to "I benefit from what I hunt". Here’s some new pics:
It could have been a good pic if I hadn’t got itall blurry, sorry.
~Gus |
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| 06/25/09 09:18am |
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Fairy Frog Mother View Profile |
Message To: Fairy Frog Mother In reference to Message Id: 2028490 Another Goofy Hiding Place
I go away for a weekend to play a pirate and come back to find everyone fighting. Jonas, woah dude...I don’t want to keep the argument going, but in my nearly 40 years of handling snakes, Mostly boa constrictors, I have NEVER seen any of them suffer ill effects from being handled a few times a week. Even in their natural habitat, the humidity and heat fluctuates- in Brazil it rains every afternoon- making the humidity go up and down throughout the day. Temperatures also fluctuate day to day, hour to hour. Plus most of us have specimines who have been bred in captivity for generations. In the 1970s when I was a kiddo and our boas bred, people didnt know about humidity and how hot they should be. My X stepdad figured they were tropical so we should try to recreate their natural habitat. Most people then kept their snakes ar room temperature. Probably why we had two clutches when people thought they wouldnt breed in captivity back then. Your chamelions look perfectly healthy despite the obvious fact that you do handle them upon occation. Snakes unused to being handled are going to freak out more than ones for whom it is a normal occurance. My female was held often as a neonate, and as a result, shes mellow and curious when handled. My male was not handled much at all, and is more wary and defensive. I am slowly getting him used to being handled, and he is mellowing out some and learning that the big monkeys wont hurt him. Honestly, I think you are entitled to your opinion, and we are entitled to ours. |
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| 06/25/09 11:19am |
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KatiiB View Profile |
Message To: KatiiB In reference to Message Id: 2028560 Another Goofy Hiding Place
I appreciate you keeping the snakes’ best interests at heart, but sometimes it is not always the case. 90% of people dont have the space to make their entire house a snake enclosure. Which, in reality, would still not give them what they need, considering their natural habitat. People do the best they can. End of story. Now lets keep this site a positive one, and less attacking people!!! Now....I havnt read the last couple of posts, so if this has been solved, completely disregard this! hhahaha just thought i would share my two sense today. YAY. Nice pictures by the way :) My boas are growing like little WEEDS lol - Kait |
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Rebelyell83 View Profile |
Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 2029792 Another Goofy Hiding Place
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