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 #953909


Sargent_horvath
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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 953505


 Dark Colours??

DM, Yea i gave her everything she wanted, fresh water and as many crickets as she wanted to eat and she will be growing nice and healthy again, i felt so proud of her and i have been giving her alot of attention lately.
AJ, yo, yea i figured a way to make the temperature staple to 76F, i have lids for the conatiner but im not using the lid for the incubator because it makes it cooler to 76F, i have holes for the lids of the containers so its going good, i think im going to check every other day on the eggs to see if its moist and if its not than i will just mist around the eggs and see if they are good.
So 39 eggs and they all look good, i have a few questions though, when will it be before she lays another clutch and how many clutches do you think she will have?? And will her second clutch be bigger??

Jesse



08/23/06  08:12pm

 #956236


Alan Johnson
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  Message To: Alan Johnson   In reference to Message Id: 953909


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Jesse
Veiled females can become receptive to breeding again several weeks after oviposition.Even without a mating .Females can go on to lay a second clutch from retained sperm 80-100 days after laying .Just keep a close watch you will notice the color change if she does .Pleas regulate her eating as the amount she eats does have some contribution to the clutch size and as your female is still young hopefully all this egg laying wont be to taxing on her .As for the Question on how many clutches she will have that is totally in the hands off GOD as these poor females have only one thing in there life and that is to reproduce and will lay clutch after clutch(have not come across any literature or book that tells me different .
AJ



08/25/06  12:07pm

 #956698


Reptiscrote
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  Message To: Alan Johnson   In reference to Message Id: 908374


 Dark Colours??

Stress may be the problem, but I think i heard that females show bright spots when they become excited? I dont know that much about gravid chameleons, but I’ve heard that one of my friend’s chameleons does that.



08/25/06  05:20pm

 #957009


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  Message To: LunaC   In reference to Message Id: 953909


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I only read this thread for the first time today....so, congrats Sgt on your first clutch! I’m glad all went well and hope Momma is recovering nicely.

I don’t believe I saw it already mentioned, but this is a critical time for your girl. She’s not even an adult yet and so still growing. Having already been mated (and I agree that 7 months was way too young) and laid, she’s going to need plenty of calcium, maximum UVB exposure, the best most varied diet and the best gutloaded feeders you can provide. That doesn’t mean overfeed her, as Alan already pointed out. An overfed juvenile female will lay more frequently and is more prone to life-threatening, life-shortening ailments.

I sincerely hope you concentrate on getting her back to optimum health (a good 5-6 months) before you even THINK about breeding her again. I’m sure you have good intentions, but from your original posts, it seemed clear you neded a little more research and learning under your belt. That said...congrats again! Keep a good eye on the egg temps and keep that vermiculite moist, not wet. Hope you have lots of darling little babies running around in a few months!



08/25/06  09:02pm

 #957065


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  Message To: Timbo08   In reference to Message Id: 957009


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A female can retain sperm and lay another clutch as soon as 3 month after the first. Like stated before do not let her eat as much as she wants. Give her an ample, highly varied and highly gutloaded diet. I always put my female panthers in the sun for a couple hours everyday for a week after they have laid.

Checking on the eggs every other day is pointless and probably detrimental as you will be letting out humidity. Checking once a week is more than sufficient to monitor the eggs. Let mother nature take her course. You dont need to spray around the eggs unless you notice them shrinking or notice that the vermiculite is drier than normal. Make sure you get no water on the eggs. Also use an eye dropper to moisten the substrate not a spray bottle. Keep the temps and humidty staple and you should have no problems



08/25/06  09:32pm

 #957082


Timbo08
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  Message To: Timbo08   In reference to Message Id: 957065


 Dark Colours??

I just read the 3rd page and dont worry if you fliped the eggs when putting them in the containers. The yolks inside the eggs take a day or two before they set and it makes no difference what side you put the eggs on as long as you remove them from the laying box quickly.



08/25/06  09:40pm

 #957692


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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 957082


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Are You serious Timbo, Thankyou sooo much for that info because i accidently flipped less than 8 eggs because they are very small and i was really getting worried, as for the other comments, Timbo, i guess ill check once a week, im going on vacation tomorow so ill check on them tonight, let someone feed my reptiles and they dont need to worry about the eggs so thanks for that info too. LunaC, Yea thanks for the congrats, she was too young to breed and i will not breed until she is a fully sized healthy adult but for a 7 month female chameleon than i think that was pretty danm good of her that she layed 39 eggs, im really proud of her and im getting her nice and healthy as right now. AJ, i am going to keep a very very good eye on her and if she is going to lay another clutch than i would like her to eat as much as she can so she can get bigger and she will be alot healtheir if shes ready to lay. Right now she the most important reptile in my room so i gotta check things and hope that she feels better, right now shes eating alot more and shes drinking alot and im gving her alot of calcium. I have some pics of my eggs so i will be happy to show everyone, but i gotta upload em first, so ill post later, Thanks everyone.

Jesse



08/26/06  11:12am

 #957886


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  Message To: Boothy   In reference to Message Id: 957692


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congratulations man hope everything goes well and sorry i havent posted anything lately my comps been screwing up on me but the best of luck to your 39 eggs hope they all hatch but message me when they hatch in several months



08/26/06  01:43pm

 #958208


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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 957886


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Boothy i will definetly let you know if they hatch, ill even make my own forum.

Jesse



08/26/06  05:54pm

 #960374


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  Message To: Dragonlover78   In reference to Message Id: 958208


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i make so many gratz, i neve knew chamelions can lay eggs like this and i try to support you all the way throughand thank the other people that have been supporting!!! hope they hatch healthy and pretty!!! <3 dragonlover78



08/28/06  12:43am

 #963928


Boothy
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  Message To: Boothy   In reference to Message Id: 960374


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o i hope they hatch to, and today my eggs have been incubating for 112 days now so almost there hope they all hatch for me to, just a couple months away, i cant wait , but again jesse the best of luck to you and your eggs man, and you shouldnt have any problems but if yea do just message me or start another post cause this one is huge now lol ahah peace out man

boothy



08/30/06  12:42pm

 #968190


Florida boy
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  Message To: Florida boy   In reference to Message Id: 963928


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Congrats all the way man!!!! Good luck with that. (istopped checking this thread for a bit but noticed it had 100 replys so I had to see the hype. LOL)



09/02/06  12:28pm

 #968258


Boothy
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  Message To: Boothy   In reference to Message Id: 968190


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thanxs alot man



09/02/06  01:17pm

 #968903


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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 968258


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Yea Wow this forum went up to 100 posts eh, thats awesome and thanks for all of the congrats everyone, i just went on vacation up north to a town called espanola and we went in the woods and went fishing and camping at an awesome camping ground and i left for a week and i come back to see that everything is okay except that one of my fish died, i had my uncle take care of my animals but soon im going to get an expert to look after my animals. Anyways yea the eggs are fine amd it sure is gunna take a while for them to hatch, its really cool and weird why chameleon eggs take this long to hatch but oh well, anyways shes eating great again but i want her to get nice and fat for her second clutch i guess, i feed her more than 5 and less than 10 adult crix a day it it sure fills her up. Anyways, i know thats below average of eggs a veiled lays but for her age i am very very proud of her, she did so good for only 7 or 8 months of age and im just very happy for her so maybe the second clutch will be bigger but ya never know, i just gotta keep a good eye on her. Lets keep this forum goin!!

Jesse



09/02/06  11:09pm

 #969901


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  Message To: Butski   In reference to Message Id: 968903


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nice to hear that shes doing fine, oh ya quite awile eh but befor you know it it will be a few months into the incubation process and then lil baby chams, im into my fourth month of incubation but soon ill have lil babies ripin all over. well hope everything goes well.

boothy



09/03/06  08:03pm

 #969906


Boothy
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  Message To: Boothy   In reference to Message Id: 969901


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sorry jesse i was signed in under my buddies name



09/03/06  08:09pm

 #971631


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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 969906


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Yea No prob Boothy but yea, very soon i will have alot of baby chams, and i really like working with chams and they are my favourite reptile in my room and i gotta say, when everything settles and i buy everything and new supplies for my reptiles than i think i might buy a diffrent species of a chameleon because i really like workin with them, but i will focus on this first.

Jesse



09/04/06  09:28pm

 #973865


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  Message To: Florida boy   In reference to Message Id: 968903


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but i want her to get nice and fat for her second clutch i guess, i feed her more than 5 and less than 10 adult crix a day it it sure fills her up. Anyways, i know thats below average of eggs a veiled lays but for her age i am very very proud of her, she did so good for only 7 or 8 months of age and im just very happy for her so maybe the second clutch will be bigger but ya never know,



Perhaps you missed the part where it has been stated the smaller the clutch the better,the bigger the clutch the more chance of something going wrong

I cant realy understand why you would want huge clutches. Lets face it, the veild market is super saturated,you cant give them away. The more you have the longer it will take to move them the more you spend on food,da da da da da. Your biggest concern is making sure the female processing enough calcium and keeping hydrated. With NORMAL feeding she will be up in weigh enough to deliver another healthy clutch, don’t push it, slow and easy is the course you want to take. If and when I breed my panthers I will be praying for tiny clutches.



09/06/06  07:31pm

 #973916


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  Message To: Dragonlover78   In reference to Message Id: 973865


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didnt anybody hear my hopes for sargeant?



09/06/06  08:08pm

 #973918


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  Message To: Dragonlover78   In reference to Message Id: 973865


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didnt anybody hear my hopes for sargeant? not even a thank-you from anybody! i am being ignored!



09/06/06  08:09pm

 #976999


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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 973918


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Ofcoarse i heard it DragonLover, I read every single post and i apoligize if i forgot to thankyou but yea thanks for posts and the hopes, it makes me feel more happier and more sucselful about this excitement. Oh and i guess your right FB, the more she has the more pain she will have so i guess smaller is better but she does need allot of calcium like ya said.

Jesse



09/09/06  04:43pm

 #977011


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  Message To: TENS   In reference to Message Id: 976999


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Lookie what i just found this morning........



09/09/06  04:56pm

 #978360


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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 977011


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Oh neat, yea my chameleon started digging at 9 in the morning and burring her hole at 9 at night, well congrats. How much eggs she lay??

Jesse



09/10/06  05:00pm

 #978415


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  Message To: Sargent_horvath   In reference to Message Id: 978360


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Oh and everyone, i got a question, my male is now an official Hole, he was never ever this angry and agressive and whenever i go more than 4 inches close to him he will hiss or try to bite. Is it possible that hes in heat?? Hes just very agressive and he has never acted this way.

Jesse



09/10/06  05:26pm

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  Message To: TENS   In reference to Message Id: 978415


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Yeah, i got up at about 9 in the morning, and she was already digging by then, and she finished in the 8-9ish at night range as well, mostly because she was recounting to make sure every grain of sand was covering the hole again. As for the numbers, she had too many, i regulated her diet and everything, she still pushed out 60 eggs, far more than i was expecting, or wanting. BUT, they are all in the incubator, sleeping at 77 degrees. She is being watered 8 times a day, going outside to bask in the sun, and getting her well guttloaded crix to get her calcium back up. I don’t think i’m going to breed her again, this experience is going to be hard enough as it is. I feel very confident that i can get all the conditions right for them, and take care of them, (I received Herk at about 2weeks old, i know the requirements of LITTLE chams) but 60 is a lot more than 1, even 50 or 40 are.



09/11/06  09:33am

 #981605


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  Message To: Alan Johnson   In reference to Message Id: 979183


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Tens hi slightly late reply to this post but was waiting to see if others would reply on this , about not breeding her again (no disrespect meant )You do realize she does not need another session with your male to become pregnant again as she can store sperm inside her for up to a year (if my reading on this matter is correct)and use this to fertilize her eggs .
Other than that she will still lay them but they will be infertile .IMO if she is going to all the trouble to produce them every 100 days after egg laying why not make sure that they are fertile then at least you have the choice as to weather you incubate them or toss them .I personally incubate all my clutches as i now how easy it is to muck up the long incubation time kneaded for them to hatch .Again no disrespect meant by wot i have posted just my opinion on this matter.
AJ



09/13/06  04:21am

 #981606


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  Message To: Alan Johnson   In reference to Message Id: 979183


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Tens hi slightly late reply to this post but was waiting to see if others would reply on this , about not breeding her again (no disrespect meant )You do realize she does not need another session with your male to become pregnant again as she can store sperm inside her for up to a year (if my reading on this matter is correct)and use this to fertilize her eggs .
Other than that she will still lay them but they will be infertile .IMO if she is going to all the trouble to produce them every 100 days after egg laying why not make sure that they are fertile then at least you have the choice as to weather you incubate them or toss them .I personally incubate all my clutches as i now how easy it is to muck up the long incubation time kneaded for them to hatch .Again no disrespect meant by wot i have posted just my opinion on this matter.
AJ



09/13/06  04:22am

 #981686


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  Message To: TENS   In reference to Message Id: 981606


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AJ: no disrespect taken. I am VERY well aware that she can and probably will hold sperm for another clutch. What I’m saying is, in this highly saturated market of veileds (wow, we’ve never heard that before now have we, "regurgitate") and the fact that i live in the middle of NO WHERE Montana, it’s going to be very difficult to adopt out, let alone sell these little bundles of joy. I am more than up to the task to attempt this once, but i don’t really think i want to go through the headache more than once. And it’s for the Chams’ best interest as well, i don’t want to have to just give them away to unworthy owners. NOPE, I’d just rather find responsible care takers for the ones I’ll hatch this time, MAYBE keep her next batch for ghits and siggles. Then just let her continue to have her infertile clutches from then on. She is coming up on two years old now, so I’ve seen plenty of infertile clutches from her, this is just an experience i wanted to have once, maybe twice, but no more than that...........but that’s just me
HAPPY WEDNESDAY EVERYONE!!



09/13/06  08:50am

 #981902


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  Message To: Boothy   In reference to Message Id: 981686


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hey tens congrates on the 60 eggs man i would keep an close eye on them and if i was you i would change the temp of the incubator to about 74-75 to start out with then i would gradually increase it as the months go by but thats just me man but again god luck with the eggs man and have fun.

hey jesse your male has become mature now so he will defend his territory and hiss at you and try to bite you, but dont worry most veileds are like this, they have this look but dont touch me attitude so hes going to be a HOLE! lol



09/13/06  01:37pm

 #982286


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  Message To: Dragonlover78   In reference to Message Id: 978360


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lol... sorry for the angry outburst tho... and i havnt been on a long time



09/13/06  07:04pm
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