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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1731370 Mela fix
Before starting the Lamisil..... Dip your frog is room temp treated water a few times for a couple of min each...say 3 times and put humidity up for a 1/2 day before treatment...high....even 100%.. The Tinactin has alot of alcohol and fuel by product in it... I think we should flush this out. I’m more worried over drying with the alcohol content of this product.. I don’t think waiting a few days to start Lamisil will do any good for him as the stress may bring the chytrid out further. I think once flushed he should do ok.... Good luck... HOPPY |
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| 05/10/08 09:01pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1731389 Mela fix
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| 05/10/08 10:12pm |
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Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1731465 Mela fix
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| 05/10/08 10:21pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1731474 Mela fix
I would start the Lamisil as soon as you can.... I’m sure the more moisture he took the more it flushes so its good.... Change the water frequently if he’s sitting in it so it flushes further.... Most likely because of the alcohol content it made him dip; with luck that might help him now... Crap happens..life is full of it..... Hang in there it may all turn out ok... :) Ok off to bed.... I will check in some time tomorrow.... HOPPY |
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| 05/10/08 11:40pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1731564 Mela fix
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| 05/11/08 08:11pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1732324 Mela fix
It has to be the spray.... Unfortunately the paste or tabs has additives to make it thick and solid.... YOu can get lamisil from a regular vet or ’turbinafine’.... Phone a pharmacy as some can order it in and have it in a day... Just some ideas for you rather than waiting for shipping.. The pharmacy may even have turbinafine in liquid form, you may need a prescription in this method though... but if they do a vet might write the prescription for you too... Insure its either Lamisil spray or 1% turbinafine..... All thoughts.. Once you start the Lamisil the humdity must drop ok?... Right now its ok while your finding the Lamisil to help flush the other out.... As for the force feeding...stop now... Frogs don’t eat when under treatment or when ill in some cases. They go almost comatose to get the cells in their body to fight off the infection but use little energy... So no more force feeding as its reversing his own body control.... If he had a bowel movement then he has something...has to go in to come out.... Sitting in the water after feeding is him trying to digest it... Some frogs do this automatically others its to help them after a big meal or if they aren’t well... His active behavior is a little bit of a concern though he was still active before so this could be his normal.. When ill some get active especially if their is a toxin in the habitat...they look like they are trying to escape the tank..all over the glass like nose hitting the edges....Like with tree frogs they clammer on the glass and some will follow the owner.. over tameness is another side of a toxin...they follow the owner trying to tell them something.. I am going to presume this activity is because he is trying to get away from the tinactin in this case... It could be stress without being able to burrow.... I usually have a cave in my sick tanks so it gives this feeling of burrow.... Though these things can be stressful for him its more important that he’s treated and made well... HOPPY |
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| 05/12/08 10:11am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1732792 Mela fix
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| 05/12/08 03:50pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1733017 Mela fix
All sounds great.... I’m glad he doesn’t seem worse for wear with the other... Keep me posted over the 10 days on how things are going.... Once treatment starts you may see the heavy sloughing...don’t be concerned its part of the medication. Some do and some don’t but at least you know... Any concerns just ask... Most don’t mind it at all they seem to know its helping... :) HOPPY |
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| 05/12/08 08:05pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1733334 Mela fix
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| 05/13/08 12:39pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1734044 Mela fix
No he’s probably overloaded with parasites....Mela fix would of helped... When stressed the parasite load gets out of hand... Have you noticed any odour to his waste? Hopefully the treatment will boost him.... All we can do is finish this treatment first. Some do give panacur beforehand but its through a vet normally.... Panacur is for parasites... For now lets just wait it out right now... HOPPY |
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| 05/13/08 03:57pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1734214 Mela fix
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| 05/13/08 04:19pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1734242 Mela fix
That could still be the effects of alchohol in the tanactin.... Just whatever you do don’t mist his tank... He can get out of the heat in the container? He should still have a warm and cool side to the sick tank ok? I prefer 10 gallon tanks so the higher 24/7 temps don’t risk dehydration issues... Try to hydrate him earlier in the day before the lamisil dips so hes not flushing it out after.... Try to let him dry in your hands (let it absorb) if your water dipping him so it can’t infect the tank...Insure you wash your hands after and anything that might of got contact.... This is like a boy in a bubble situation... Thats good there is no odour to the waste so its most likely all related to his illness.. HOPPY |
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| 05/14/08 10:52am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1735045 Mela fix
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| 05/14/08 06:58pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1735488 Mela fix
I would keep the paper towels dry.... I know the worry over dehydration is a concern for you but its more important to keep the chytrid from reinfecting... Dry is the key to the success of the treatment... It won’t irratate him.. All ill frogs are kept in this method and many tree frogs including my own I keep permanently this way.... So not to worry.... I’m not sure placing him in the water is a good idea ... Frogs when healing go comatose almost.. this is how they heal themselves.... Some don’t but most do. They usually have water stores for this reason... As owner you see with your eyes where I cannot so its your call on this... Dehydration we certainly want to avoid.. Did I mention the exo terra ’electrodize’ spray?... If you think he is dehydrated this can help him more. Its at the pet shops (reptile dept) and you would use it instead of the plain water dip..You could mist him outside the tank using this spray. It has an appetite enhancer too... its very good. Its like pedialyte for us... As your in a health care profession you can probably get some pedialyte instead of the electrodize quite quickly use at 10 % to 90% treated water.... this may be a better option for you rather than running around stores with your work load... Only do it once a day... Try to do a good time frame from the Lamisil dip... Say the pedialyte in the am and the Lamisil in the pm....The dip I would only do for 1 min. fingers crossed.... HOPPY |
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| 05/15/08 08:56am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1736069 Mela fix
He seems to be doing good.His activity continues to go back to what it was before the medication dip.Not frantic or anything unusual.He is not hoping around crazy but, when i put him in his dip he tries to get out compared to before when he would kind of just sit there.When i pick him up he tries to get out of my hands.Also when holding him to get him to dry from the dip I put a rosy red minnow near his mouth doubting that he would eat it due to the dip but, he ate it real quick and got a little bit of my finger lol. As far as the dehydration thing he doesn’t look dehydrated to me but, then again i do not specialize with frogs.His eyes are not sunken his skin isn’t shiny or tacky nor is he a dark color.I do not know if that matters or not or shows signs of being perfectly hydrated.As far as the pedialyte I would only like to do it if in fact he is dehydrated.I don’t want to keep giving him things if he doesn’t need it.If in fact he does it will be really easy for me to get it. oh like you said he seems to be shedding not excessively but, he seems to always have shed on him when i put him in the dip which is another reason why i don’t believe hes totally dehydrated i just get worried because he will not dip at all unless i put him in the dip myself.This isn’t a new behavior though he has never really dipped but,before i didn’t worry about it because his tank was moist. Once again hoppy i really appreciate your help it means alot to me and little jubba. |
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| 05/15/08 09:46pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1736790 Mela fix
lol..... Good signs... When they start to feel better, just like a kid they decide they don’t want any more medicine...lol So his appetite has returned..all good.. some do get their appetite in a few days others longer so its all very good news.. They can give quite a nip.... I would say from the description you gave that dehyration is of NO concern.... I wouldn’t add anything unless needed either... It’s always there if needed... When dehydrated they get listliss and won’t eat at all...even the fish will keep him hydrated with the oil content.... So it sounds like its working for him.... I will be off for a few days....mon or tue I will check in.... Just keep going even though he seems good... It must be done for the 10 days. You know the drill on sterile and cross contamination. You also have in hand the dehydration instructions if you need them. I can’t see anything else coming up other than the sloughing may get worse..its all normal and will rectify itself after all the treatment is done.... Insure his main tank is all ready for him when treatment is all done; like cook the new earth that sort of thing... You can use the spray of Lamisil (mixed with water) to clean the deco... Just insure all is bone dry for a day or two before you put him back in.. Then get the humidity levels etc all back to normal again and you should be on your way to a long life with him.. Any concerns just post them as I may get on sooner like tomorrow AM before heading off.. Thanks again.... Maybe I will see pics of Jubba happy in his main tank soon... :) HOPPY |
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| 05/16/08 07:02am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1737010 Mela fix
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| 05/16/08 07:13am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1737017 Mela fix
He can go into the main set up if his appetite is there.. :) HOPPY |
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| 05/16/08 08:48am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1737074 Mela fix
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| 05/16/08 08:22pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1737695 Mela fix
I’m still worried that just because he looks better that i could lose him I’ve kind of excepted this and it seems if one thing isn’t wrong the other is.I’ve looked at my husbandry and everything else and read many care sheets as i felt this was my fault but it seems Ive done everything alright and like my boyfriend says you pay more attention to the frog and his care than anything else.I’d call on my break and have him check in on the frog mist the tank etc. since i work long shifts.Its just what could be the cause of all this and is their something that ties all these symptoms together.just to re-cap his symptoms.He appears to have lost some weight even though eating,he ends up on his back about twice in the last week and the last few days his legs were red as far as up to tonight i have not seen any bowel movements in say the past week.I know he isn’t impacted due to he hasn’t been on any type of substrate and has moved his bowels since being off any type of substrate. I’m completely lost with this and don’t know what to due.I feel as if i haven’t taken good care of him but i have read every care sheet every book etc his temps and humidity along with other stuff were all perfect but in no care sheets is their a list of the 10,000 things that can go wrong with them so i guess you just find this kind of stuff out by experience and that’s what I’m doing now but i cant help to think maybe i did something wrong sorry to make this sound like a big issue and the end of the world.I’m a nurse so its in my nature to try to investigate and try to figure everything out and then feel like i could have done something sooner or faster to fix it ...once again thank you again hoppy and sorry for the giant post |
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| 05/18/08 07:17pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1739445 Mela fix
It takes them awhile to show weight gain... As far as the meds go...you must continue or all you have done is lost... It has to be 10 days... My only concern is the critter keeper inside the tank... Can you just put him inside the tank and use it as the hospital tank.. My concern is he can’t get enough cool or warm to adjust his internal temps.... Going on his back doesn’t surprise me right now until the treatment is finished... We have to treat one thing at a time with amphibians... He is most likely turning red with trying to dig in a tank without substrate causing him to go red with rubbing... He should have paper towel substrate in the tank... He should still be able to move about so a critter keeper can stress him if too small... I would sterilize the larger tank and use it but without dirt...That dirt now must be sterilized or thrown... Soil breeds chytrid.. You can’t mist right now.... its vital he dip only... Very sick frogs don’t eat...keep this in mind... If eating thats a good sign... A Week for bowel movements is nothing, he’s abosorbing all nutrients. A month then you can start to worry... I doubt you did things wrong..though keep in mind every owner (even those experienced) make mistakes. We learn from these and pass the information along... All you can do is your best.. The tinactin wouldn’t of helped but he’s still here so you learn... Lets get him through this 10 days and we’ll go from there... Insure that he’s got the room to move and that he is on paper towel with a cave to hide. Insure your temps are 80f on the warm side, no misting.. Once the treatment is done and he is back to the main tank in dirt we’ll see what happens... Sometimes no matter what you do it fails....but don’t give up....frogs are wonderful healers. If eating thats a good sign of internal functions.. so give it time. Its slow as the meds are very diluted to protect frogs kidneys and skin... HOPPY |
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| 05/19/08 08:46pm |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1740609 Mela fix
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| 05/20/08 07:07am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1741015 Mela fix
I understand what your saying... Its up to you.... I can only tell you that throughout the testing of frogs over the last couple of years none have died from the treatment when done correctly... The pacman were the first to have completed test stages as they are proven carriers... Now its moved on to other species of frogs... Its fine with me what you decide I only offer choices... NO judgement passed on my behalf....Your eyes see what I cannot.. HOPPY |
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| 05/21/08 08:19am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1742109 Mela fix
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| 05/21/08 07:43pm |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1742671 Mela fix
Glad he’s starting to look more like himself... Keep me posted....soon done... :) HOPPY |
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| 05/22/08 06:39am |
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Keristen View Profile |
Message To: Keristen In reference to Message Id: 1742965 Mela fix
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| 05/26/08 07:13am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1746710 Mela fix
AWWWW so glad he’s doing well.... Your welcome anytime.... The waste issue will be awhile.... He will be taking all nutrients in with little to no waste right now. So all is good... Don’t worry it will come..... Insure he has fresh water daily as the meds will be in his shed still etc.... It stays in for a good couple of weeks to kill the underlying fungus and bacterial cells.. I’m off for awhile so glad I was here to help..... Be back soon....... :) Please keep me posted that he is back to normal in a couple of weeks. This helps with the test trials too... HOPPY |
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| 05/26/08 07:46am |
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Hoppy View Profile |
Message To: Hoppy In reference to Message Id: 1746721 Mela fix
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