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#2087487
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2087482
Mangrove Monitors 
Ive been looking at reptile Guru are their animal’s in good shape most the time.
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10/22/09 01:27pm
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#2087495
Varanus_odom
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Message To: Varanus_odom In reference to Message Id: 2087487
Mangrove Monitors
I would go with Bay Area Reptiles, they have some really nice Argus in right now - you wouldn’t be disappointed.
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10/22/09 01:53pm
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#2087499
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2087495
Mangrove Monitors
Ive spoke with Bay area reptiles before they where really nice and informative. same price to mine as well
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10/22/09 02:14pm
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#2087500
AlbigsRule
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Message To: AlbigsRule In reference to Message Id: 2087495
Mangrove Monitors
I would look around and talk to some of the breeders on here =)
See if they have any babies/juvies they would like to sell. Check kingsnake, if no one around here has any.
Brandon
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10/22/09 02:14pm
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#2087503
Silentjt
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Message To: Silentjt In reference to Message Id: 2087450
Mangrove Monitors
Quote: So you have any tips to keep the argus from getting bored A couple feet of dirt and some logs to climb on and they entertain themselves.
Jesse
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10/22/09 02:26pm
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#2087506
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2087500
Mangrove Monitors
Hmmm ive noticed around this time of year the number of monitor lizards for sale spike up quickly.
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10/22/09 02:35pm
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#2087583
BansheeRacer25
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Message To: BansheeRacer25 In reference to Message Id: 2087506
Mangrove Monitors
I actually had the opposite encounter with bay area. They were pretty rude to me. There are quite a few under ground breeders who have argus forsale. If you want pm me and i’ll give you someones number where you wont find better babies.
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10/22/09 06:15pm
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#2087617
Joe Kahn
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Message To: Joe Kahn In reference to Message Id: 2087583
Mangrove Monitors
I got my trio of Argus as babies a few months ago from Krusty and have had loads of enjoyment since then with them. If he does not have any babies left, I am pretty sure he has eggs incubating
Joe
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10/22/09 07:48pm
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#2087659
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2087617
Mangrove Monitors
That’s good to know ive noticed Argus are really highly sought after due to their active and intellligent nature.
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10/22/09 09:03pm
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#2087720
Joe Kahn
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Message To: Joe Kahn In reference to Message Id: 2087659
Mangrove Monitors
Not only are they active and intellegent, they are the perfect size.They are medium sized and it is easier and cheaper to meet their enclosure and food requirements than larger monitors.
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10/22/09 11:06pm
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#2087867
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2087720
Mangrove Monitors
your right about that housing a Argus is much easier then housing a water monitor,blackthroat monitor,croc monitor. That’s why im getting one 4.5 ft to maybe 5 ft is easier to house then 9 ft i don’t know a croc monitor’s max length but considering most the keeper’s of them on here give them they’re own large shed i assume it’s very large.
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10/23/09 10:34am
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#2087869
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2087867
Mangrove Monitors
And respect people very much who can keep croc monitor’s and water’s it takes a person who really really knows what they are doing to avoid getting hurt.
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10/23/09 10:51am
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#2104475
Jimjum12
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Message To: Jimjum12 In reference to Message Id: 2087869
Mangrove Monitors
I hate to see Mangroves get passed over. We have a male and a female who both seem very happy, friendly, and well adjusted. We interact with them a lot and they seem to like attention. They are both kept in the living room and are exposed to people. We fed them daily until last year when we cut back to every other day because they were getting too plump. The femal gets 1 jumbo mouse and the male gets two....he’s a good bit bigger than the female. We get our mice from American Rodent also....actually we get 150 jumbo mice, 50 chicks, and 50 hoppers for a little over a $ 100 with free shipping...3 times per year. We are lucky to live near the coast and provide the occasional whole crab or crawdad. They’re not too expensive to feed and that order I referred to takes care of our Savanna and Timor also. Our 2 are the Green Spot variety, not the yellow. It’s actually almost a turquoise color in the sun. I am going to post 3 pictues of the male at 6 months, 1 year, and 4 years. The first pic will have the red slash circle,,,I don’t know why...sorry about that. GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus)
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12/13/09 03:48pm
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#2104502
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2104475
Mangrove Monitors
Homestly im very very fond of Mangrove monitors but i keep hearing they are nervous skittish and shy. But i like them because they are beautiful monitors and they do everything climb,swim,fish and unlike meny lizards they are able to swim in the open ocean and catch fish and they also have a special gland that enables them to survive in salt water. So yes im still very intrested in mangroves despite saying i want a Argus Mangroves are always my favorite monitor. Argus is a close second though
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12/13/09 06:13pm
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#2104504
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2104502
Mangrove Monitors
I also really like blue tail monitors
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12/13/09 06:21pm
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#2104511
Jimjum12
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Message To: Jimjum12 In reference to Message Id: 2104502
Mangrove Monitors
I didn’t know about the gland....but they are beautiful when they swim. I hope you manage to get a pair sometime. I’m a firm believer that skittishness is a controllable factor. To me....every monitor that I’ve ever worked with individually became calm and trusting, except my Timor. Now that’s a skittish lizard. But he does seem comfortable now when we spot clean...and will occasionally take food from our hands.If you love Mangroves as much as you seem to...you owe it to yourself t give it a whirl. I suspect you would raise a couple of very happy animals...they would be lucky to have you. I doubt that mine will successfully mate....I’ve never had much luck there...but if we do have some hatchlings and you live in the U.S., I’d give you one. GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus)
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12/13/09 06:41pm
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#2104515
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2104511
Mangrove Monitors
Ive been looking for them for sale honestly they are harder to find then the argus monitor but for some reason they are cheaper. Mangroves do really really intrest me ive been doing research for month’s on monitors but mangoves and blue tailes have always been the most intesting to me. You know a good place to find mangroves.
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12/13/09 06:52pm
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#2104531
Jimjum12
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Message To: Jimjum12 In reference to Message Id: 2104515
Mangrove Monitors
I found Twilight at a local reptile show...he was 75 bucks....he had hints of blue and lavender in him along with the aqua green spots and I couldn’t resist him....I didn’t even have an enclosure....he was awesome. Tiki came from Black Forest Reptiles (I think that was the name)...and she was 200 bucks plus shipping from Forida. I didn’t mind paying extra as she was 2 years old and used to people and looked similar to Twilight and his green hue. She was advertised on kingsnake and it was very bizarre having a live lizard in a box left on the porch by FedEx. I usually prefer to examine an animal in person but I had looked for over a year for a green spotted mangrove and haven’t seen another since. I actually think that’s because the yellow variety is the most popular...not so much rarity. I’m an impulsive person and ,though I could never consider letting one of mine go, I might have made some different decisions had I been more patient and willing to research. I could certainly see myself choosing a Dummerils or an Argus...2 that I see you are also considering. I know you’ll be happy whatever way you go....I’d try a large national show...and remember, the Mangrove will be the kind of lizard you allow him to be. I remember reading a short story about someone who got trapped in a canyon in Australia and subsisted on fishing until they were rescued. They talked about a Monitor that they shared some food with and how after a week it would come right up to him. I always remembered that story for some reason. GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus)
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12/13/09 07:25pm
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#2104539
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2104531
Mangrove Monitors
Im leaning towerd mangrove more and more now I really think they are beautiful medium sized monitors and i also like the semi aquticness of them. Food is food to a monitor be it from a person or not it’s food they are smart animal’s. so are Mangroves very interactive when they get used to people
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12/13/09 07:33pm
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#2104571
Jimjum12
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Message To: Jimjum12 In reference to Message Id: 2104539
Mangrove Monitors
Mine are....and they’re not big enough to eat you out of house and home. There’s not a lot of information on their husbandry....but I was looking more for a pet than a display animal...not that there’s anything wrong with the display approach. Whatever you decide, just remember that monitors can live a long time...it’s almost like getting married or having a child..with both successes and disappointments. One thing I do know....they have anticipation and hope, and they come to recognize and depend on their keepers. They are also capable of despair...I feel it’s my job to help them avoid that. The excitement that overtakes my two Mangroves when it’s time to free roam is obvious, and when it is time to return them I always give them a treat...so the concept of the enclosure doesn’t become a bad thing. Like on the show "Lizard King" on Nova....when you look in their eyes you know something is looking back. GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus)
P.S. Twilight is unusuallly large for a Mangrove....a normal male would probably be 8 or 9 inches shorter.
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12/13/09 08:16pm
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#2104601
Krusty
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Message To: Krusty In reference to Message Id: 2104571
Mangrove Monitors
Quote: but for some reason they are cheaper. Mangroves
They are 100% wild collected animals - stolen from the wild and can be very high-strung if caught as subadults to adults. They can harbor parasites and/or have kidney damage from dehydration when they are packed tight in cold crates and exported to the US or whereever they go to. Importers buy these animals for next to nothing and then sell (the ones that survive) at a mark up. $75-125 is a common price for a WC V. indicus.
Jimbo has very nice looking Indicus and they are thriving as captives. He looks to have spent a great deal of time conditioning them to people and good care. That is the odd story vs how most Mangroves end up though. Good job jimbo btw.
Argus are CBB in 95% of circumstances. You don’t see them get imported too much these days. I have eggs cooking, but sell out of babies in short time when I have them. You’re welcome to a baby when they hatch. I know Ray at B.A.R. and he doesn’t have any of my babies, although he’s asked about me wholesaling them to him,etc. He takes care of the animals pretty well and you’d be getting a well-started Argus if you go with him. Ben Seigle does a good job also.
I know jimbo may not agree, but Argus are CBB and entertaining captives over w.c. Mangroves usually. It has nothing to do with me and selling a baby. They’re just bolder and calmer animals usually - a better captive. But maybe I’m jaded. I took a nasty vice-like bite from an adult female Indicus once. She just politely turned her head and put the screws to my thumb. LOL
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12/13/09 09:09pm
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#2104613
Jimjum12
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Message To: Jimjum12 In reference to Message Id: 2104601
Mangrove Monitors
I’ve never owned or even seen an Argus in person....but it is near the top of the list of animals I would like to work with if space one day permits. Maybe I was just lucky with my two...although I must admit that the Female once missed the mouse and nailed my thumb....it lit me up and I wear gloves while feeding now. You wouldn’t think something that size could have that much pressure in it’s jaw. I definitely treat them with respect. Twilight was very young when I got him so he didn’t really have much wildness to him. I’m sure they’re like pit bulls....and can be taken down a violent road. I’ve just gotten so many rewards from my Mangroves that I just want others to experience that also...but I’m no expert and could certainly be misguided. GOD BLESS...
-jimbo(a friend of jesus)
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12/13/09 09:32pm
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#2104622
Sorrowen
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Message To: Sorrowen In reference to Message Id: 2104613
Mangrove Monitors
Manrove or Argus is a hard choice for me i like both of monitor’s but they are both from very differnt areas and habitates. Mangroves i like because they are very intresting reptiles and do meny things well Argus i like because they are active and captive bred. I hope someone can turn the wild caught mangrove monitor thing around cause it would be awsome to have captive bred ones. I’ll likely get a mangrove at this point ive learned a lot through all my reading about them and such. But i would not like to get bitten lol not that ive not been bitten by lizards before my Tegu rex doesn’t have the nicest personality in the world. In fact he’s pretty spunky most the time
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12/13/09 09:45pm
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