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#1965380

SoLA
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Message To: Flherp In reference to Message Id: 1965362

Venom glands removed

Without a doubt it adds an added layer of safety for the keeper. With of course, some form of detriment to the snake. The goal would be to add that layer without causing detriment to the snake. If we just think, it can be done.

I hate to say things without a nice knock on wood, but our facility has never had a bite from a venomous snake, and we work hard to keep it that way. If you are in a hurry, tired, etc. Then step away and don’t do the job at that point. And I won’t even touch chemical impairment. I think we are on the same page where that is a given that it should not exist in this situation.

Now for the safety of people being educated, we can take what we know about snakes and work from there to make it 100% safe. For example, we know snakes cannot fly. Therefore they certainly can’t fly x number of distance which you separate you from those educated. And they really can’t fly that far when in secure housing.

Now with training our hawks to free fly for education...we have a little added obstacle to overcome don’t we lol. And they are completely non-venomous.

03/09/09 08:29am

#1965763

JEFF QUARLES
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Message To: JEFF QUARLES In reference to Message Id: 1965380

Venom glands removed

Well I have only one thing to say; I’m leaving for the EVERGLADES on thursday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03/09/09 08:00pm

#1965838

SoLA
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Message To: SoLA In reference to Message Id: 1965763

Venom glands removed

sure...bring everyone back to the real world Jeff lol. Can’t wait for pictures.

03/09/09 09:23pm

#1966008

JEFF QUARLES
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Message To: JEFF QUARLES In reference to Message Id: 1965838

Venom glands removed

Today at 11 am I have to take 5 of my snakes to a photo shoot with my doctors wife. She is really hot and my brother thinks she is just on my jock!! She is real frisky but I’m bringing the bro along just in case she gets funny or something.. LOL

What does this have to do with venomous? who knows but I’m bored..Gosh I hope I can find an adult male Burm this time down..

03/10/09 08:10am

#1975350

Ih8venomiods
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Message To: WT NolaN In reference to Message Id: 1868506

Venom glands removed

personaly i can think of 1 reason to own a venomoid, education on venomous snakes. But to all the peolpe who want the cool factor of owning a cobra or rattlesnake, you dont deserve own any animals smiley far as im care

03/26/09 10:23pm

#1975354

Ih8venomiods
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Message To: Phoenixatrox In reference to Message Id: 1892719

Venomoid’s

beacause the dog/cat population is ot of control and thousands of dogs and cats are dieing everyday, now you cant say the same about venomoids. and venomoiod surgery is not perfected, it leaves the snake deformed, and can kill them. and i dont agree with declawing cats or decenting ferets and even skunks. I think that unless is for the good of the species if you have to use surgery its not a pet

03/26/09 10:30pm

#1977278

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Message To: Flherp In reference to Message Id: 1965362

Venom glands removed

Honestly I am torn on this subject myself. But I must point out that people who are being critical by saying that if someone gets a Venemoid they are just trying to be cool and show off a cool snake and don’t really care for it. I feel as though this sort of thinking would also logically conclude that even just keeping these animals as pets would be just to show them off and not care for them! Just don’t be hypocritical. If you want to really let these snakes have an ideal life, don’t keep them as pets and leave them in the wild. I don’t personally agree with that, but that is the logical progression of some of your arguments. Just my 2 cents...

03/30/09 01:54pm

#1977290

SoLA
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Message To: SoLA In reference to Message Id: 1977278

Venom glands removed

I have to agree with Andrew there. I am sure there are people who truly love different kinds of snakes that would rather have a venomoid. But I still maintain that this is a short cut and an unnecessary detriment to the animal (with an arguable degree of detriment that has been discussed)

03/30/09 02:18pm

#1978078

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Message To: Flherp In reference to Message Id: 1965362

Venom glands removed

personally i don’t believe it is "cruel" to remove the venom glands. Before you were to do this procedure however consider getting a snake that was never had venom, they’re cool too.

03/31/09 07:10pm

#1979767

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Message To: Ferret4ever In reference to Message Id: 1978078

Venom glands removed

im not say its bad or good but i would like to have any part of my bodies insides to be torn out surgicly

04/04/09 12:04am

#1979823

Flherp
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Message To: Flherp In reference to Message Id: 1979767

Venom glands removed

If it is surgery, then they are usually cut out.

04/04/09 06:36am

#1980317

Ferret4ever
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Message To: Ferret4ever In reference to Message Id: 1979823

Venom glands removed

still i would like it unless it was good for my health

04/04/09 11:24pm

#1980953

Flherp
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Message To: Flherp In reference to Message Id: 1980317

Venom glands removed

If you own ferrets (perhaps an unfair assumption, as it is based solely on your user name), do they still have their scent glands? Or were they surgically removed? Are the animal’s reproductive organs still intact or were they likewise surgically removed?

04/06/09 08:05am

#1990788

Mini mo
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Message To: Rebelyell83 In reference to Message Id: 1869786

Venom glands removed

the surgery can be done properly.and the snake still die its a snakes life your messing with.and they ushaly die sloly and painfully.its a cruel sick thing to do.i think no cause if the snake dies it dies for sick human pleshure witch is wrong to do.id just leve the snake the way it is and handal none venomouse snakes.and dont handle venomouse snakes if you dont want to get bite.and if its to lern how to handal hots lern with none venomouse thats how i started when i was 7.

04/22/09 12:30pm

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Message To: Beardeddrags In reference to Message Id: 1990788

Venom glands removed

OMG I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THESE!!! You all are gonna hate me (well most of you) I just orded one after searching for hours lol, IM GETTING A PUFF ADER!!!! HOW COOL IS THAT! It is gonna be so mucch fun to have....yes i will respect it but to have a snake like a puff adder is so cool, im just so glad i can have one without the worry of Dying lol. Well if all goes well ill get him in 2 weeks

04/22/09 06:25pm

#1991188

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Message To: SoLA In reference to Message Id: 1991079

Venom glands removed

I realize this is a joke, but I honestly don’t think it should be on here. Law enforcement does go through these forums and that is really not the kind of thing that needs to be seen...especially in these times.

Regardless of how you feel about venomoids, suggesting that that is the kind of thinking most people might have only hurts everything.

04/22/09 08:13pm

#1991240

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Message To: Beardeddrags In reference to Message Id: 1991188

Venom glands removed

omg, it was a joke soz...is it illegal or somthing?

04/22/09 08:52pm

#1991635

Joef
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Message To: Joef In reference to Message Id: 1991240

Venom glands removed

no its not illegal (in most places)

04/23/09 12:50pm

#2070595

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Message To: Primal_Heart In reference to Message Id: 1991635

Venom glands removed

this is another example of the selfish nature of the human species. people want something, for whatever reason (show off, a sick form of admiration, even educational purposes), you can educate kids with pictures, videos, models. you dont NEED to bring a live, mutilated animal into a classroom to make a point. pass around the corn snake, and throw on a slideshow of the copperhead. its not that difficult!!!

As far as "justifying" this sick practice by using dogs, cats, ferrets, baby penises, and little girl ear piercing... firstly, docking and cropping of dogs IS ILLEGAL in every country except the united states. i think that speaks for itself. Feline declawing is just plain STUPID. whoever supports that practice should try living without the first JOINT of all ur fingers. if your perfectly happy living life that way, fine, declaw ur cat. Strapping down a baby to jam a hole through it’s ears... is nothing more than LEGAL public child abuse. good god!

and circumsizing babies is NOT a valid comparrison. it’s proven that this DOES make it a whole lot easier for boys to aviod infections. sure uncut men still stay clean but i’ve spoken to both and it’s widely agreed that men left natural wish they were cut for a multitude of reasons. that arguement is not valid here because the bottom line IS....

REMOVING THE VENOM GLANDS OF THESE SNAKES BENIFITS NO ONE EXCEPT THE IDIOT THAT WANTS TO PLAY WITH THEIR HARMLESS COBRA... NOT THE POOR SNAKE!!!

09/10/09 11:53pm

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Message To: Contortrix In reference to Message Id: 2070595

Venom glands removed

An interesting point that I don’t believe has been brought up yet is the possibility of a failed venom gland removal. Now I don’t really know how much validity there is to that statement if we are talking "licensed professionals", but hey, everyone makes mistakes. But I’ve heard talk of venom glands growing back if they are not completely removed. There is an interesting situation. What could be more dangerous than a snake that you think isn’t venomous that actually is? Under this scenario we can throw the additional layers of protection (put the morals aside for a second) straight out the window.

Even if you were to handle the snake is exactly the same fashion as if it were hot, psychologically you’re not thinking of it in the same terms, and are therefore putting yourself at a gross amount of risk. A much greater amount than if the snake had been left the way it was born.

09/11/09 03:28am

#2070675

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Message To: Denial9945 In reference to Message Id: 2070626

Venom glands removed

I dont understand the point in owning a venomoid. If you second guess yourself about being bitten then you should stick with nonvenomous. I know mistakes happen but that is part of the hobby. Noone is forcing anyone into venomous. You should be well aware of the risks before you enter it. Also I dont understand the cool factor in owning a venomoid. Yes im sure you could handle your cobra venomoid in a crowd of people and say look at me but in the end your cobra is now nothing more then a corn snake so whos cool now? They were put on this earth with venom for a reason and it shouldnt be taken away from them

09/11/09 10:13am

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Message To: JackAsp In reference to Message Id: 2070675

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I understand the concept of, for example, a zoo doing it for insurance reasons. But a company or vet who has no qualms about doing for somebody who DOES just think it wouild be cool? That’s a bit shifty.

09/12/09 04:28am

#2070888

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Message To: SoLA In reference to Message Id: 2070874

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This is an OLD OLD thread, and even older topic. But I have to chime in on the "nothing more than a corn snake" comment. I hate that.

One, it puts down corn snakes. While they are very common snakes, they are pretty cool. I don’t have any because I stick with all Latin American species at home, but believe me, a nice normal corn with bright red and gold colors would be a highlight in my collection if they hit my geographic interest.

Second, cobras neither behave, nor look anything like a corn snake. These are very different animals. The second thing this comment does (aside from put down the corn snake) is put bring down the cobra to only being of interest because of its venom. Like saying a woman would be nothing without her boobs.

I do not agree with the venomoid surgery, and it is sad insurance runs us so much that we can be forced into this. If someone wants to play the "look how cool I am" game, understand there are still great risks that make you look even more idiotic when they occur. How foolish would someone look if they ended up in the hospital because they were fooling around with a snake they thought had its defenses taken away?

09/12/09 09:11am

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Message To: Flherp In reference to Message Id: 1965362

Well, I Just Pulled Up a Chair to Watch...

The predictable fireworks. As for my views and what I think, well, I’ll borrow a line from a local humorist friend of mine . . .

"Beats the heck out of me!"

I can’t see a reason for most people to own hot snakes in the first place; well, it probably does offer some minute chance of improving the gene pool with some of the dumber sorts wind up earning Darwin awards, but that’s about all . . . The testosterone junkies might disagree with me, however, and those sorts can be baaad asses . . .

Venomoids do pose a potential danger if two of different sexes escape; they might be able to establish a breeding population (had to get a science lesson in there somehow). And that could be problematic . . .

I don’t think there’s any argument that the practice does amount to surgical mutilation, but Flherp (who does know what he’s talking about, Jeff) does offer some strong evidence that the harm inflicted can be mitigated to a large degree.

So what? Zoos and such operate in a very different realm than the average hobbyist; they are there to meet recognized scientific, social, and educational purposes, so I’m not going to second guess that crowd . . .

I can’t see much value, though, in bringing a "pseudo-hot" to an educational demonstration other than providing some theatrical appeal at the expense of the snake. I understand that was a venomoid that Jack Hannah used to terrify Letterman with a few years ago, but Letterman’s "city kid getting to see critters for the first time" attitude didn’t do anything for me (and I’m a big Letterman fan; I just wish he’d stick to skewering Sarah Palin).

Shoot, I have enough trouble getting people to accept regular old corn and gopher snakes as lecture props without adding complications . . .

Really, I think the question boils down to "What’s the purpose?" And I don’t see any really strong justification for the practice of keeping them . . . Some, but not much . . .

Well, it could save on anti-venom bills, I suppose, but seriously, there are lots of other species that are far more suitable...

Cue the music . . .

Send in the clowns . . .

09/12/09 01:41pm

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Message To: Denial9945 In reference to Message Id: 2070888

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My point was to people that get these animals for the "cool" factor and walk around showing everyone. Cornsnakes are decent snakes. There just to small for me to keep.

09/13/09 09:28am

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